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September 13

Prove or disprove: These numbers are composite for all n>=2 such that these numbers are positive

Prove or disprove: These numbers are composite for all n>=2 such that these numbers are positive Template:Div col

  1. 5n+788
  2. 5n92
  3. 8n+1
  4. 8n+27
  5. 8n+47
  6. 8n27
  7. 9n4
  8. 9n16
  9. 11n+430
  10. 11n184
  11. 11n324
  12. 12n25
  13. 13n50
  14. 13n216
  15. 14n+11
  16. 14n9
  17. 14n11
  18. 16n9
  19. 17n+32
  20. 23n+82
  21. 23n112
  22. 24n49
  23. 27n+8
  24. 27n8
  25. 29n+4
  26. 29n+10
  27. 29n+26
  28. 29n4
  29. 29n26
  30. 32n+1
  31. 32n+23
  32. 32n23
  33. 32n29
  34. 33n16
  35. 34n29
  36. 36n25
  37. 38n+1
  38. 38n+25
  39. 38n+31
  40. 38n13
  41. 38n25
  42. 39n4

Template:Div col end 118.170.47.16 (talk) 08:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Re   #3: 8n+1=(2n+1)(4n2n+1).
Re   #4: 8n+27=(2n+3)(4n32n+9).
Re   #6: 8n27=(2n3)(4n+32n+9).
Re   #7: 9n4=(3n2)(3n+2).
Re   #8: 9n16=(3n4)(3n+4).
Re #23: 27n+8=(3n+2)(9n23n+4).
Re #24: 27n8=(3n2)(9n+23n+4).
Re #30: 32n+1=(2n+1)(16n8n+4n2n+1).
Re #36: 36n25=(6n5)(6n+5).
These are all special cases of the [[Difference of two squares#Difference of two nth powers|difference of two Template:Mvarth powers]].  --Lambiam 10:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Do your own homework. SamuelRiv (talk) 15:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Based on other posts with this type of number theoretic-focused content coming from IPs in the same geographic area (north Taiwan), I'm pretty sure this isn't meant to be homework. WP:CRUFT, perhaps, but this is the Reference Desk, and it seems to me that it's a lot less of an issue to have it here than elsewhere. GalacticShoe (talk) 16:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
For all of these which are not listed as always composite or having a prime, I tested n10000 and didn't find any primes.
  1. Prime: 510899+788 is probably prime. Note that 5n+788 is divisible by 3 when n is even, 13 when n1(mod4), and 7 when n5(mod6), so when there is such a prime then n3,7(mod12). Thanks to RDBury for helping establish compositeness originally for n1000.
  2. Unknown: 5n92 is divisible by 3 when n is odd, 13 when n0(mod4), and 7 when n0(mod6), so if there is such a prime then n2,10(mod12).
  3. Always composite: 8n+1 can be factorized.
  4. Always composite: 8n+27 can be factorized.
  5. Always composite: 8n+47 is divisible by 3 when n is even, 5 when n1(mod4), and 13 when n3(mod4).
  6. Always composite: 8n27 can be factorized.
  7. Always composite: 9n4 can be factorized.
  8. Always composite: 9n16 can be factorized.
  9. Unknown: 11n+430 is divisible by 3 when n is odd, 7 when n1(mod3), 19 when n2(mod3), and 13 when n6(mod12), so if there is such a prime then n0(mod12).
  10. Unknown: 11n184 is divisible by 3 when n is even, 7 when n2(mod3), 37 when n3(mod6), and 13 when n7(mod12), so if there is such a prime then n1(mod12).
  11. Unknown: 11n324 is divisible by 19 when n0(mod3) and 7 when n2(mod3), and it becomes a difference of squares if n is even, so if there is such a prime then n1(mod6).
  12. Always composite: 12n25 is divisible by 13 when n is odd, and it becomes a difference of squares if n is even.
  13. Unknown: 13n50 is divisible by 7 when n is even, so if there is such a prime then n is odd.
  14. Prime: 135702216 is probably prime. Note that 13n216 is divisible by 7 when n is odd and 5 when n0(mod4), and it becomes a difference of cubes if n0(mod3), so when there is such a prime then n2,10(mod12).
  15. Always composite: 14n+11 is divisible by 5 when n is odd and 3 when n is even.
  16. Always composite: 14n9 is divisible by 5 when n is odd, and it becomes a difference of squares if n is even.
  17. Always composite: 14n11 is divisible by 3 when n is odd and 3 when 5 is even.
  18. Always composite: 16n9 can be factorized.
  19. Prime: 179021+32 is probably prime. Note that 17n+32 is divisible by 3 when n is even, 5 when n3(mod4), 7 when n1(mod6), 19 when n5(mod9), 181 when n17(mod36), and 37 when n29(mod36), so when there is such a prime then n9(mod12).
  20. Prime: 231926+82 is probably prime. Note that 23n+82 is divisible by 3 when n is odd, 7 when n1(mod3), and 13 when n2(mod6), so when there is such a prime then n0(mod6).
  21. Prime: 233409112 is probably prime. Note that 23n112 is divisible by 3 when n is even, 5 when n3(mod4), and 17 when n13(mod16) so when there is such a prime then n1,5,9(mod16).
  22. Always composite: 24n9 is divisible by 5 when n is odd, and it becomes a difference of squares if n is even.
  23. Always composite: 27n+8 can be factorized.
  24. Always composite: 27n8 can be factorized.
  25. Always composite: 29n+4 is divisible by 3 when n is odd and 5 when n is even.
  26. Prime: 298096+10 is probably prime. Note that 29n+10 is divisible by 3 when n is odd, 13 when n1(mod3), and 37 when n2(mod12), so when there is such a prime then n0,6,8(mod12).
  27. Always composite: 29n+26 is divisible by 5 when n is odd and 3 when n is even.
  28. Always composite: 29n4 is divisible by 5 when n is odd, and it becomes a difference of squares if n is even.
  29. Always composite: 29n26 is divisible by 3 when n is odd, and it becomes a difference of squares if 5 is even.
  30. Always composite: 32n+1 can be factorized.
  31. Always composite: 32n+23 is divisible by 11 when n is odd and 3 when n is even.
  32. Always composite: 32n23 is divisible by 3 when n is odd and 11 when n is even.
  33. Unknown: 32n29 is divisible by 3 when n is odd, 7 when n0(mod3), 5 when n2(mod4), and 13 when n8(mod12), so if there is such a prime then n4(mod12).
  34. Always composite: 33n16 is divisible by 17 when n is odd, and it becomes a difference of squares if n is even.
  35. Always composite: 34n29 is divisible by 5 when n is odd and 7 when n is even.
  36. Always composite: 36n25 can be factorized.
  37. Unknown: 38n+1 is divisible by 3,13 when n is odd, 5,17 when n2(mod4), and 41 when n4(mod8), so if there is such a prime then n0(mod8).
  38. Always composite: 38n+25 is divisible by 3 when n is odd and 13 when n is even.
  39. Unknown: 38n+31 is divisible by 3 when n is odd, 5 when n2(mod4), and 7 when n4(mod6), so if there is such a prime then n0,8(mod12).
  40. Always composite: 38n13 is divisible by 3 when n is even, 5 when n1(mod4), and 17 when n3(mod4).
  41. Always composite: 38n25 is divisible by 13 when n is odd, and it becomes a difference of squares if n is even.
  42. Always composite: 39n4 is divisible by 5 when n is odd, and it becomes a difference of squares if n is even.
GalacticShoe (talk) 08:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
I'm guessing this is about the best one can do without actually discovering that some of the values are prime. I did some number crunching on the first sequence 5n+788 with n<1000. All have factors less than 10000 except for n = 87, 111, 147, 207, 231, 319, 351, 387, 471, 487, 499, 531, 547, 567, 591, 639, 687, 831, 919, 979. You can add more test primes to the list, for example if n%30 = 1 then 5n+788 is a multiple of 61, but nothing seems to eliminate all possible n. Wolfram Alpha says the smallest factor of 587+788 is 1231241858423, so it's probably not feasible to carry on without something more sophisticated than trial division. --RDBury (talk) 19:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, RDBury. I've been using Alpertron, it's good at rapidly factorizing or finding low prime factors. GalacticShoe (talk) 22:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Yes, Alpertron is very good and you can give it a file to factor, or specify a formula to factor. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 05:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Lines carrying rays

Not quite sure where to ask this but I decided to put it here. I apologize if this doesn't belong here.

I was recently reading about hyperbolic geometry and when reading the article Limiting parallel, I came across the statement "Distinct lines carrying limiting parallel rays do not meet." What exactly does it mean for a line to carry a ray? Is this standard mathematical terminology? TypoEater (talk) 18:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this is the place for such a question, though you might also complain at Talk:Limiting parallel that the phrase is unclear. —Tamfang (talk) 22:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
I find the whole article unclear and confusing. Is it me?  --Lambiam 23:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)