Testwiki:Articles for deletion/Barratt–Milnor sphere

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The result was merge to Hawaiian earring. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 20:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Barratt–Milnor sphere

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Not notable. Sourced only to a paper by Barratt & Milnor themselves, and my searches for other sources have produced very few mentions, almost all of those being Wikipedia, Wikipedia mirrors, etc, and the very few exceptions mention the topic but do not give it substantial coverage. I have not been able to find evidence anywhere that this concept has attracted significant attention or coverage in the 56 years since it was published.

(A PROD was contested with the edit summary "looks notable to me; e.g., mentioned in a textbook", but neither thaqt editor nor anyone else has said what textbook it is, even if one regards a ention in one textbook as significant enough for notability. That editor has subsequently added a link to a question and answer on a forum-like question and answer site, but that can scarcely be taken as indicating notability.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 07:02, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• Keep: Well, I didn’t name a textbook since it’s easy to find by googling; e.g., [1] Of course, a mention in a textbook is an indication of notability but need not be sufficient. It’s matter of culture: does the math community regard this example an important example in the field? One way to assess such a question is look at the conversations among the mathematicians, in places like a discussion forum. Let me ask again: what makes you think this example particularly non-notable? I admit i’m not an expert in this area and so it’s possible you (or some other editors) know better about the notability of this example.

For example, [2] suggests this example as a possible term paper topic, an indication that the example is considered important in the field. —- Taku (talk) 10:12, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge to some other articles: I'm arguing the example seems important (and notable in the Wikipedia jargon). I don't have a strong opinion on the location of the example. -- Taku (talk) 23:18, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• Merge to Hawaiian earring (not just a plain redirect) – this space is a straightforward generalization of that one to higher dimensions. I think it's certainly noteTemplate:Em enough for a mention there given citations to the original paper over the years. Part of the problem is that I don't see that the term "Barratt-Milnor sphere" has been widely accepted. I could only find one actual use of that specific name here, which appears to be work still in progress. I wouldn't be surprised if the term was coined there, and the article creator took the name for the article here. If that's the case, the article title is definitely inappropriate. I think a merge is the most reasonable outcome here. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 12:25, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

  By the way, if this does get closed as a merge, I'd be more than happy to actually execute it. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 12:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, the name "$n$-dimensional Hawaiian earring" appears more common, e.g., [3][4][5]. XOR'easter (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mathematics-related deletion discussions. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 12:26, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• Merge per Deacon Vorbis. XOR'easter (talk) 14:42, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
• Merge per Deacon Vorbis and source finds by XOR'easter. This is a case of a badly named article giving the impression of a poorly sourced topic. The topic has been covered under the name of, e.g., n-dimensional Hawaiian earring, so it is appropriate to discuss it in the Hawaiian earring article. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 09:46, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.