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October 30

Relationship between IJ and IJ

Let I and J be ideals of a ring. Is there a relationship between IJ and IJ? Other than the obvious one IJIJ?--AnalysisAlgebra (talk) 01:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

If the ring is commutative, they have the same radical: IJ=IJ. This also means that if P is a prime ideal, then P contains IJ if and only if it contains I∩J. Rckrone (talk) 05:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Canonical map

What is the canonical map from a ring R to R[x]/(ax1) where aR?--AnalysisAlgebra (talk) 05:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

(p.s. and showing that its kernel is {bR|n:anb=0} would be nice too...)--AnalysisAlgebra (talk) 05:29, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

There is a natural inclusion of R in R[x]. R[x] is the ring of polynomials in x with coefficients in R. The elements of R can also be considered polynomials (with degree 0). Then there is a natural surjection from R[x] to R[x]/(ax-1) mapping a polynomial to its equivalence class mod (ax-1). The composition of these two is the canonical map from R to R[x]/(ax-1). Rckrone (talk) 05:54, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Generalization of the Laplacian and partial derivative

Let u(x,y) be the solution of the steady-state heat equation 2uy2+j=1d2uxj2=0 with u(x,0)=f(x)
A generalization of repeatedly applying the Laplacian is (Δ)af(x)=d(2π|ξ|)2af^(ξ)e2πiξxdξ and it is quite easy to show that this coincides with the regular Laplacian when a is a positive integer, if f is in the Schwartz space (f^ is the Fourier transform of f).
Show that (Δ)k/2f(x)=(1)klimy0kuyk(x,y) for positive integer k.Widener (talk) 11:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Take the Fourier transform of u wrt to the x variables and solve the steady state heat equation: u^=e2πy|ξ|f^ (this has the correct initial conditions in y=0 and boundary conditions at infinity). Apply an inverse Fourier transform and again differentiating enough times under the integral gives (Δ)k/2f(x)=(1)klimy0kuyk(x,y). Sławomir Biały (talk) 00:36, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Heisenberg Principle Implies Theorem

Show that the Heisenberg uncertainty principle implies (d2fdx2(x)+x2f(x))f(x)dxf(x)f(x)dx for every f in the Schwartz space.
I have a version of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle which states that (x2|f(x)|2dx)(|dfdx|2dx)1/4. I can get the integral on the left hand side of the inequality to dfdx(x)dfdx(x)+x2f(x)f(x)dx but this is a sum instead of a product, and I don't see how you can get the inequality anyway. Widener (talk) 14:57, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Your version of Heisenberg is wrong. It should be
(x2|f(x)|2dx)(|dfdx|2dx)14(|f(x)|2dx)2.
So, this is an inequality of the form ABC2/4 and you want to show an inequality of the form A+BC. You can use the AM-GM inequality. Sławomir Biały (talk) 00:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Properties of the generalized Laplacian

How do you verify smoothness of a vector valued function? In particular, I want to show that the function g(x)=d(2π|ξ|)2af^(ξ)e2πiξxdξ, where f is in the Schwartz class, and real a>0, is smooth.
Also, unlike the standard Laplacian, the function d(2π|ξ|)2af^(ξ)e2πiξxdξ is not necessarily in the Schwartz class if a is not an integer. How do you prove this?Widener (talk) 18:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Differentiation under the integral sign proves smoothness. Non-Schwartzness follows since the frequency domain representation, (2π|ξ|)2af^(ξ), is non-smooth. Sławomir Biały (talk) 22:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay, but remember, this is a vector valued function. What exactly do you mean by "differentiation" in this context?
That is to say, x is a vector. Widener (talk) 23:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Partial derivative Sławomir Biały (talk) 23:40, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay. xi(Δ)af(x)=d2πiξi(2π|ξ|)2af^(ξ)e2πiξxdξ. Hmm. The partial derivatives commute essentially because multiplication is commutative. Does this prove that these partial derivatives are C1? I know the converse is true at least. But do you even know that the integral still converges?Widener (talk) 23:47, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Integral converges because f^ is rapidly decreasing. Sławomir Biały (talk) 00:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, of course. Is my logic about the partial derivatives being commutative therefore C1 correct? I know that partial derivatives that are C1 commute, but I don't know if the converse is true. And does that indeed imply that the whole function is smooth? Widener (talk) 00:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
BY the way, how do you justify interchanging the partial derivative and the Integral?Widener (talk) 00:54, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
That's an argument that requires using dominated convergence theorem. Sławomir Biały (talk) 01:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Also, could you explain the non-Schwartzness in more elementary terms?
Thanks Widener (talk) 23:21, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
A function is Schwartz iff it's smooth and its Fourier transform is smooth. Sławomir Biały (talk)|
So, for instance, choosing a=1/4, (2π|ξ|)1/2f^(ξ) is not differentiable at ξ=0? Widener (talk) 23:54, 30 October 2012 (UTC)