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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The McKinnon Worker

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I tagged this for a speedy as nonsense and then saw that a speedy had already been declined. There may actually be a college newsletter with this title, but there is no evidence of notability, and the facetious tone of the article means it should be deleted as nonsense. JohnCD (talk) 09:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

  • commentthe previous speedy decline was because I'd marked it as Spam and apparently it didn't meet that criteria.I'm currently trying to ascertain what criteria I should have marked it as. Maybe vandalism instead of spam but, either way the article fails our inclusion criteria on notability and COI and probably a number of other places so should be deleted. Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • DELETE, although the article doesn't fit any speedy criteria, it does fail WP:NPOV, WP:N, and WP:COI. It also doesn't assert any notability through references or third-party citations for notability.--Sallicio⊕ 09:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

DO NOT DELETE THIS, IT IS OBVIOUSLY FINE, JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT "THINK" IT IS VALID WHY DELETE IT? YOUR JUST BEING SELFISH ARROGANT PRICKS! MANY PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THIS TO SEEK INFORMATION ABOUT OUR 'NEWSLETTER. WHY NOT JUST LET IT GO? WHOS IT GOING TO HURT? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.33.192 (talk) 09:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

comment I've already addressed the above issue of why deletion on the author's talk page. Please go ahead and make yourself familiar with some of the policies of Wiki before making comments like the above. Thank you. Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • "The McKinnon Worker is the world's best piece of writing ever created". Speaks for itself. Delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC).
  • Strong Delete - absolutely zero reliable sources to indicate any sort of notaility, and the article in its entirety has no salvageable content even if it were to be notable -- Whpq (talk) 13:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nonsense article, no showing of notability, and I couldn't find sources. I agree though, that it doesn't fit the speedy criteria; this is the right place for it. Xymmax (talk) 13:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry bout putting this here but, I'm looking through the CSD stuff and still can't see where this doesn't count as "spam". No where that I've seen so far says they have to be trying to "sell" a product. Please someone help me work this out. My talkpage is more than available to help discuss so I don't make the same mistake again. Thank you. Jasynnash2 (talk) 13:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete complete and total crap. JuJube (talk) 13:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Further Comment/Speedy Delete Further to some of my above comments/questions I believe it meets the criteria for speedy under A7. As it is "an article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant." The reason being it is a student run newspaper (organisation?). Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • 20-Mule-Team Delete: A sterling case of WP:BULLSHIT as well as WP:NFT. No, in fact, no one is going to want to see this so-called "information."  RGTraynor  15:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment For my own amusement, I cleaned up the article, so many of these scathing reviews no longer match the current revision. It's obviously still not notable, so much so, that I don't even feel the need to vote delete, there's no chance this article will survive. -Verdatum (talk) 16:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete In the creator's own tirade he mentions that this is being used as advertising for the site and the fact that a single purpose account invovled with the newsletter created this makes it a conflict of interest. Also that ISP above also blanked this AfD Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 17:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Even in the cleaned up version, it's still a load of tottenham. A steaming pile of hotspur. One is not supposed to bite the newbies, but people who show up with attitudes like we see above deserve a good chomping. DarkAudit (talk) 18:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment The McKinnon newsletter a.k.a - "The McKinnon Worker" is not advertising, nonsense or spam. The McKinnnon Newsletter is a newsletter run by students at Mckinnon Secondary College. I'm sorry you feel as if it is Spam. We have taken the liberty of fixing up the page. I hope you favour our adjustments, 'Wikipedia' is our best source to inform others, so please do not delete our homepage. Sorry for the misunderstanding and that our editors writing is not to be misconstrued as nonsense. Thankyou. JaackSCH (talk) 02:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

This is not your "homepage". Wikipedia is not a web hosting service. You want a homepage, you will need to find somewhere else to go. Wikipedia is not here to help entities make a name for themselves. Wikipedia is for after that has already happened. Wikipedia is also not a search engine. People will not "find you" here unless they already know what they're looking for or hit the random button. Again, not for what you think you're using Wikipedia for. You need to look elsewhere. DarkAudit (talk) 02:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment This is a page to inform our colleges about the newsletter, we are not hoping people will 'stumble' across this page. We are trying to create a student run newsletter and inform our other students. obviously this means nothing to you, you are not involved. but Wikipedia is the most convenient way for the students to inform and run our newsletter, this is why I deem it a ‘homepage’. I do not appreciate why an attempt for students to create their own paper can be harassed with such scrutiny. Let the students inform their fellow students about the newsletter, apologies for any inconvenience. Thankyou. JaackSCH (talk) 02:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. There are guidelines to what an article needs. There are guidelines to what Wikipedia's mission is. What you are trying to do does not meet those guidelines. Wikipedia does not exist to promote products of any kind. If you intend to use Wikipedia as a primary source to let people know the newsletter exists, then the article will surely be deleted. That is not what Wikipedia is here to do. I AM involved because I am an editor on the English Wikipedia. The task at hand is to vet articles against the guidelines set forth for notability, reliable sources, and spam, amongst many others. It is clear that the article, especially given your statements here, do not acceptably pass those guidelines. DarkAudit (talk) 03:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I can appreciate JaackSCH's civil tone (in stark contrast with the adolescent rantings earlier), but DarkAudit is 110% correct. See: what Wikipedia is not.--Sallicio⊕ 03:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Concur. No one here is preventing you or your cronies from creating a newsletter. No one here is preventing you from informing your fellow students about it. You just cannot do so on Wikipedia. Like other editors, I urge you to review the various links provided (as well as WP:FIVE, a good place to start) so you can gain an understanding of Wikipedia policy, procedures and guidelines.  RGTraynor  14:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete per nom. Wikipedia isn't the place for articles like this.--CyberGhostface (talk) 14:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete--a newsletter?--come on, it should've been speedied long ago--and don't forget to block its creator for inappropriate user name. Qworty (talk) 09:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Comment: How long does it take for an administrator to delete this?--Sallicio⊕ 01:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
AfDs typically run five days.  RGTraynor  05:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
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