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== Huff Post for ITM ==

[https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/most-famous-celebrity-death-2018_us_5c26634ee4b08aaf7a903312 Huffington Post] on dead people.  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 01:08, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
:{{U|Smallbones}}, {{tl|Done}}. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 02:33, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
== A Third of Wikipedia Discussions Are Stuck in Forever Beefs ==

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3k9zjv/a-third-of-wikipedia-discussions-are-stuck-in-forever-beefs ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 21:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
== I'm a celebrity  ==

A brief mention of [[Anne Hegerty]] on the reliability of Wikipedia while on British reality show [[I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!]], specifically relating to her page may be appropriate within the "In the Media" section. '''[[User:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: darkgreen">IWI</span>]]'''  (''[[User talk:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: purple">chat</span>]]'') 09:01, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
== Peer review ==

I would be grateful if the signpost could include something in the news section about [[WP:PR|peer review]]. This follows on from an earlier editorial last year ([[:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2017-02-27/Special report]]). {{u|Kadane}} has kindly created a bot that contacts editors about unanswered reviews at time intervals of their choosing, set at [[WP:PRV]]. The signpost would be a good place to announce this and garner some more interest in peer review, maybe. A loud example article / infomercial is below. Yours, --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 23:05, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

===Wikipedia Peer Review - Request for reviewers===
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'''[[WP:PR|Wikipedia peer review]] needs more reviewers.''' Please join us and contribute some reviews, or add yourself to our [[WP:PRV|volunteers list]] to get regular updates of unanswered reviews. The [[WP:PRV|peer review volunteers list]] is not new, but '''what is new''' is that you can add yourself and a time interval at which you'd like regular reminders about unanswered peer reviews in that topic area (e.g. history, geographic, social sciences). 

Peer review provides a way for new and experienced editors alike to ask for and provide input into an article that is being developed. It's often a stepping stone for new editors, or for articles on their way to [[WP:FA|featured article]] status. It's a great way to help new editors become experienced with our wiki ways, improve articles, and learn about completely new subject areas. 

We usually have between 10 - 20 unanswered reviews, often waiting for months, that only require a pair of eyes and some kind advice. We look forward to seeing you around!

Yours, --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 23:05, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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:{{u|Tom (LT)}}, If you write something, we will happily publish it, but there's not really anyone here to write the normal columns, much less an additional one. [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 15:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::@{{u|Eddie891}} thanks, will write something and resubmit when I have time. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 09:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Addit: I will take a raincheck on this for the moment and resubmit when I have a completed submission. --[[User:Tom (LT)|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:Tom (LT)|talk]]) 08:33, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
== Promotion - get it out there. ==

Hi {{u|Kudpung}} - I've been around here for years and yet only recently come across Signpost. I bookmarked it as there appears to be no clear link to it on main page. Why not? Why is it not right up at the top of the sidebar, perhaps just below Mainpage? Also - the title "Signpost" has a whiff of the Old West, or what you'd have seen just below a gas lamp in a Dickensian side street in the dead of night, kinda makes you wanna "get outa Dodge". Perhaps rename it '''WikiNews'''. Also - a top headline on this month's edition is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-10-28/From_the_editors The Signpost is still afloat, just barely]. Wtf who wants to grab hold of a drowning man? This is definitely "get outa Dodge" language.

Wikipedia does a great job of keeping up with current affairs, helped, quite possibly, by the fact that its right there on the main page marked '''Current Affairs'''. So why not go for it - new name - easily accessible and less Doom&gloom {{smiley}}.

:'''WikiNews''' - <small>[[User:markdask|<span style="font-family: verdana; color: #00AA11;">'''Mark'''</span>]]</small>[[User talk:markdask|<sup style="color: #F0A804;">'''Dask'''</sup>]] 18:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

:::[[n:|That name’s taken.]] —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="border-radius:10px;background:blue"><span style="color:aqua">&nbsp;python</span><span style="color:#ff0">coder&nbsp;</span></span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 22:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

::::How about WikiTribune? Surely nobody has taken ''that'' name.... --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 03:06, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

*How about linking "The ''Signpost''" from the left sidebar, {{ping|Kudpung|Bri}}? --<span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#000000">[[User:Pine|<b style="color:#01796F">Pine</b>]][[User talk:Pine|<sup style="color:#01796F">✉</sup>]]</span> 00:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
:*An interesting proposition. Does anybody know exactly how the sidebar navigation elements are chosen? Is it by WMF or by ENWP community? I do not remember having seen changes discussed in my 10+ years of activity here. ☆ [[User:Bri|Bri]] ([[User talk:Bri|talk]]) 02:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
::An idea that's so obvious, it's a wonder why it's never been done. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 09:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
::People suffer from [[banner blindness]] with the sidebar, especially as people continue to add things but not remove other things from it causing [[cannibalization (marketing)|cannibalisation]]. If you're looking to increase awareness of the Signpost, there are probably better ways than adding it to the sidebar. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] ([[User talk:Deskana|talk]]) 11:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
*:At any case, this needs an explicit community consensus in a widely-advertised RFC. [[User:Winged Blades of Godric|<span style="color: red">&#x222F;</span><span style="font-family:Verdana"><b style="color:#070">WBG</b></span>]][[User talk:Winged Blades of Godric|<sup><span style="color:#00F">converse</span></sup>]] 16:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:::Well we should propose this properly then. '''[[User:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: darkgreen">IWI</span>]]'''  (''[[User talk:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: purple">chat</span>]]'') 10:36, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

*You could consider doing new and different things to also draw readers. The New York Times is known for a variety of things. One of which is a Cross word puzzle. "The Raven" if I recall correct was first published in a paper. Short stories have long been published to a variety of papers. This would also be inline with the statement purpose of Signpost, imo. This could also draw a number of signpost contributors who wouldn't otherwise be involved and could draw their interest to other aspects of the paper. Also offering curated content like this opens an additional avenue to other unique content. Specifically the content review. Opinion pieces on the curated content. [[User:Serialjoepsycho|-Serialjoepsycho-]] ([[User talk:Serialjoepsycho|talk]]) 08:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
== Revisiting the German War Effort arb case's impact on WikiProject Milhist ==

As those of you who run this publication must know, the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/German war effort|German war effort]] was complex and involved a significant amount of evidence and litigation. Aside from tensions near boiling over during the case and many people being unhappy with the decision, there were numerous effects on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history|WikiProject Military history]]. The [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators#Lead coord|lead coordinator resigned]], the project [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 146#Proposal to modify our A-Class review requirements|modified its A-class review process]] to include a source review, [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 147#Addition to WP:MILCG|altered its internal guidelines]] for drafting biographies, and questions about the German war effort case are being asked by a couple of our members to the candidates for this year's ArbCom election. In the past 24 hours, it [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Discussion ("Military historian of the year")|has resurfaced]] [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators#Closing and archiving of thread on the main talk page|in a dispute]] about an award the project bestows annually. Might be worth a special report. I for one know it will effect how I will be voting for Arbcom this year. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 02:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
== Review the site for Political Bias ==

You would probably get more donations from a variety of people if the site was not so biased.  I understand that many in academia have an agenda but if you want to provide objective information, it should provide both sides of issues without taking sides. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:108.24.2.34|108.24.2.34]] ([[User talk:108.24.2.34#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/108.24.2.34|contribs]]) 23:13, December 6, 2018 (UTC)</small>
:{{ping|108.24.2.34}} Why do you believe the site is biased? Please provide examples. Also, sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="border-radius:10px;background:blue"><span style="color:aqua"> python</span><span style="color:#ff0">coder </span></span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 13:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
:Comparatively few studies have been conducted examining this question systematically. These are summarized at [[Ideological bias on Wikipedia]]. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 13:59, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
== Article suggestions ==
===Article suggestion: Review of 2018/ Continent wise review===
Hi. I was wondering if anyone would be working on an article related to a review of 2018. If such a review/recap of the year is suitable for this issue of Signpost, I can help out with article.
<br>
I checked the Archives and since 2005, a yearly recap has been done for the following years: (includes partial and localised reviews)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Year !! Article !! Date
|-
| 2005 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-01-16/Look back|A look back at Wikipedia's fifth year]] || 16 January 2006
|-
| 2006 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-01-08/2006 in review|Special: 2006 in Review]] <br> [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-01-15/2006 in review|Special: 2006 in Review, Part II]] || 8 January 2007 <br> 15 January 2007
|-
| 2007 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-01-14/2007 in review|Special: 2007 in Review]] <br> [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-01-21/2007 in review|Special: 2007 in Review, Part II]] <br> [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-01-28/2007 in review|Special: 2007 in Review, Part III]] <br>   [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-02-04/2007 in review|Special: 2007 in Review, Part IV]] || 14 January 2008 <br> 21 January 2008 <br> 28 January 2008 <br> 4 February 2008
|-
| 2008 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-02-16/Dispatches|How busy was 2008?]] || 16 February 2009
|-
| 2009 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2010-01-11/2009 in review|2009 in Review]] || 11 January 2010
|-
| 2010 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2011-01-03/2010 in review|2010 IN REVIEW: Review of the year]] || 3 January 2011
|-
| 2011 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-01-09/Technological roadmap|2011's technological achievements in review, and what 2012 may hold]] || 9 January 2012
|-
| 2012 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-01-07/News and notes|2012—the big year]] || 7 January 2013
|-
| 2013 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-01-01/Featured content|FEATURED CONTENT: 2013—the trends]] <br> [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-01-01/Technology report| TECHNOLOGY REPORT: Looking back on 2013]] <br> [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-01-01/Traffic report|TRAFFIC REPORT: A year stuck in traffic]] <br> [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-01-01/Arbitration report|ARBITRATION REPORT: Examining the Committee's year]] || 1 January 2014 <br> 1 January 2014 <br> 1 January 2014 <br> 1 January 2014
|-
| 2014 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2015-01-28/Special report|Traffic in the fog: 2014's most popular articles include death, Facebook, and Ebola]] || 28 January 2015
|-
| 2016 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2017-01-17/In the media|IN THE MEDIA: Year-end roundups, Wikipedia's 16th birthday, and more]]  || 17 January 2017
|-
| 2017 || [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-01-16/Traffic report|TRAFFIC REPORT: The best and worst of 2017]]  || 16 January 2018
|}

But from the above, I see a trend of NOT doing yearly reviews, apart from traffic reports. One reason may be because the effort to do a yearly review is a lot, in other words, too time consuming as compared to what the output is and the readers it addresses. Anyway that aside...

<br> '''MAIN IDEA:''' I wanted to suggest one idea for the yearly review to be in the form of a ''continent wise review''. (since country wise is not possible of course). This would simply include a section related to each of the continents - Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia/Oceania, Europe, North America, and South America. If this idea is liked, maybe we could tag editors who specialise in each continent who are willing to contribute so that it becomes a collaborative effort and individual load is removed. Even short paragraphs from each of the 7 continents would be enough to form a decent sized article.
<br> I am of course ready to contribute for Asia (& try other continents if others don't have time). Regards [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DiplomatTesterMan]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 09:49, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
:{{ping|DiplomatTesterMan}} What exactly would you include in the scope of your review for each continent? New content or article improvements, like new FAs or GAs of relevant major topics? Edit-a-thons or Wikimeetups  and conferences that took place in the continent? -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 20:55, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

:: {{re|Indy beetle}} Sorry for the delay in reply. I wanted to complete a good portion of the below article before moving on to another one. As for this one... I had thought that if there were different users for different continents, then they could decide how to go about the review. The points you have mentioned cover the scope well. The only limitation should be that every continent would be given the same amount of space. But I had wanted a more informal kind of narrative, rather than a general one.

::{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Continent !! User
|-
| Africa || User 1
|-
| Antarctica || User 2
|-
| Asia || [[User:DiplomatTesterMan]]
|-
| Australia/Oceania || User 4
|-
| Europe || User 5
|-
| North America || User 6
|-
| South America || User 7
|}
::[[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DiplomatTesterMan]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 14:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

:::If this section were agreed upon, I'd be willing to write up the Africa portion. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 16:44, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

:::: {{re|Indy beetle}} Sorry I didnt reply earlier. I was trying to wrap up the Signpost stats article, which is now finally done. I don't think I have the energy for this one now :D even if it is shifted to the next issue. And also finding editors is a task. So I think I will let this one go for now. Regards. [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DiplomatTesterMan]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 07:58, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

===Article suggestion: Signpost readership===
I would also like to work on an article related to Signpost readership since the very beginning (and find trends if possible). This simply involves seeing the number of pageviews for each year, and providing commentary related to the most viewed article ever, most popular category of articles...etc.
I will go ahead if others think this article is ok. And of course, others can suggest ideas or add to it. [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DiplomatTesterMan]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 12:57, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Pythoncoder}} I was just thinking I could actually start with this one just now since I have a few days to spare and may not get time later on. Do you think this article is ok to start with, or do you suggest working on something else related to Signpost? [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DiplomatTesterMan]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 16:07, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|DiplomatTesterMan}} Sounds good to me. FYI There was a bit of talkpage analysis a while back: [[Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Archive_1#Traffic_on_May_issue's_articles]] —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="border-radius:10px;background:blue"><span style="color:aqua"> python</span><span style="color:#ff0">coder </span></span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 18:06, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
::::: {{re|Pythoncoder}} Thanks. Thanks for the link too, really good pointers for the article, exactly what I am talking about! [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DiplomatTesterMan]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 19:20, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

===Article suggestion: Interview of someone editing from a conflict zone?===
Does anyone know a Wikipedia editor who currently edits from a conflict zone? (It could be on any of the other language Wikis too. I like the idea of conducting an interview with such a user... [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DiplomatTesterMan]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 12:57, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

::: {{ping|Bri}} I shifted the above content from the Newsroom... I didn't read the tag at the top, and then got confused whether it could have stayed there or not. I don't think it makes a difference right... since all these are suggestions, hence on this talk page, but suggestions for the upcoming issue, so Newsroom talkpage. Anyway. [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DiplomatTesterMan]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|DiplomatTesterMan}} At [[:meta:Deceased editors]] there is Ihor Kostenko, [[:uk:Користувач:Ig2000]] who died in [[:en:Euromaidan]]. Also deceased is [[:en:Bassel Khartabil]] who died in the [[:en:Civil uprising phase of the Syrian Civil War]].
:::The documentation on [[:meta:Editing with Tor]] is not sorted and there is published guidance in many places.
:::If you check news articles for conflicts for interesting pictures then often those come from people who are on the scene. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 17:12, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{re|Bluerasberry}} Thank you for the comment and information. Will follow it up. [[User:DiplomatTesterMan|DiplomatTesterMan]] ([[User talk:DiplomatTesterMan|talk]]) 08:00, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
== As an off-enwp Wikimedian, what I'd like to read... ==

Hi the authors of Signpost,

I contribute majorly involve with Chinese Wikipedia. I am also a board member of Wikimedia Taiwan. I have to say Signpost has been an inspiration for us for long. Since 2014, we started [https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%8F%B0%E7%81%A3%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E5%AA%92%E9%AB%94%E5%8D%94%E6%9C%83/%E6%9C%83%E8%A8%8A the monthly newsletter of the chapter in Chinese], and one of the must read reference for our newsletter editor is your wonderful work.

I personally enjoy a lot reviewing the international related articles, such as news and brief, op-ed, or features. But the topics or sections that relate solely for English Wikipedia community, such as the rank of article views does not catch my eye balls. 

I am highly appreciate your work, this is a honest and many of the times, very critical voice in the community. However, I am not sure whether I think it's good about the style in a dark fashion. I feel this is a balance resource that complementary to the Wikimedia Blog since this is the place not only shows positive things in the movement, and I appreciate all your work! Anyway, I hope my feedback helps you for the future articles! Happy holiday season. --[[User:Shangkuanlc|Liang (WMTW)]] ([[User talk:Shangkuanlc|talk]]) 05:18, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

--[[User:Zimbali Beyoncé|Zimbali Beyoncé]] ([[User talk:Zimbali Beyoncé|talk]]) 16:28, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
== Public Domain Day 2019 ==

Hi, I would like to submit a story for Public Domain Day on January 1, 2019. [[User:Gnom|Gnom]] ([[User talk:Gnom|talk]]) 13:27, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
:Please let me know if you would publish such a story. A German-language draft can be found at [[:de:Benutzer:Gnom/Public_Domain_Day#2019]]. --[[User:Gnom|Gnom]] ([[User talk:Gnom|talk]]) 16:13, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
::Also see [[2019 in public domain]]. This is actually notable as we have works entering the PD from the US due to the date of publication rather than based on the death of the author. (eg starting tomorrow, works from 1924 get added to PD, whereas today the cutoff is 1923 or earlier. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Actually, in the United States, as of Jan. 1, 2019, works from '''1923''' go into public domain.  On Jan. 1, 2020, works from '''1924''' will go into the public domain. - [[User:Kosboot|kosboot]] ([[User talk:Kosboot|talk]]) 17:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
==  Reddit on WP Corbin Bleu articles - Suggestion ==

There's a [https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/aetmh9/why_does_high_school_musicals_corbin_bleu_have/ thread on Reddit's UnresolvedMysteries] (now apparently solved) on the fact that articles on [[Corbin Bleu]] appear on a very large number of the Wikipedias of various languages. Probably a SP item or story sketched there. --[[User:R. S. Shaw|R. S. Shaw]] ([[User talk:R. S. Shaw|talk]]) 20:10, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
== ANI archive will past 1000 ==

I think it should be present at this time. Now it is 998 and in January it will have over 1000. How about having it? [[Special:Contributions/14.232.160.139|14.232.160.139]] ([[User talk:14.232.160.139|talk]]) 10:13, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
:See newsroom discussion: [[WT:POST/N]]. We're discussing including this. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="border-radius:10px;background:blue"><span style="color:aqua"> python</span><span style="color:#ff0">coder </span></span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 13:15, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
:999 is looking long right now... —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="border-radius:10px;background:blue"><span style="color:aqua"> python</span><span style="color:#ff0">coder </span></span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 18:00, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
::I'm not sure whether having 1000 archived pages of ANI is something to be proud of! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 04:32, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

== NATO ==
Just heard on Brian Williams' show on MSNBC's guest Jeremy Bash (Former CIA chief of staff) who stated that at one point in 2018, White House aides were on Wikipedia trying to find out whether the U.S. could withdraw from NATO. There will probably be a video clip at some point but I was a little shocked. Better double-check that article. #WikipediaInTheWhiteHouse <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 04:28, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
== New Gadget for moving file to commons ==

I've edited the page [[Wikipedia:Moving_files_to_Commons#Tools]] to show how to enable the new system [[User:Ronhjones|<b style="border:1px solid #dfdfdf;color:green; padding:1px 3px;background:#FFD">Ron<span style="color:red">h</span>jones&nbsp;</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ronhjones|&nbsp;(Talk)]]</sup> 16:29, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Ronhjones}} The new tool will be covered in the Tech report, and I've linked to that page. Thanks, - <u>'''[[User:Evad37|Evad]]''37'''''</u>&nbsp;<span style="font-size:95%;">&#91;[[d:w:User talk:Evad37|talk]]]</span> 07:08, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
== Chief Technology Officer leaving ==

Chief Technology Officer [https://wikimediafoundation.org/profile/victoria-coleman/ Victoria Coleman] is leaving; see her email "A difficult goodbye" on Wikitech-l [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2019-January/091315.html] - <u>'''[[User:Evad37|Evad]]''37'''''</u>&nbsp;<span style="font-size:95%;">&#91;[[d:w:User talk:Evad37|talk]]]</span> 07:06, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{Added}} to News and Notes draft - <u>'''[[User:Evad37|Evad]]''37'''''</u>&nbsp;<span style="font-size:95%;">&#91;[[d:w:User talk:Evad37|talk]]]</span> 08:03, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
== Wikipedia and and a politician with insomnia ==

* [https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/insomniac-since-i-was-a-boy-of-five-37562788.html 'Insomniac since I was a boy of five'], ''[[Sunday Independent (Ireland)|Sunday Independent]]''. 'Instead of staring at the ceiling <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Alan Farrell]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> says he reads the following day's papers from 1am into the early hours when they are first published online. "My worst attribute is wikiloops. I might look at something on Wikipedia and I would research something and then I would click on a link to the next page and the next page and all of a sudden it's three hours later and you've gotten nothing done and you are in a wikiloop, going down a rabbit hole."' <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:2001:bb6:aaa:6558:c1ae:6d56:9cd2:464c|2001:bb6:aaa:6558:c1ae:6d56:9cd2:464c]] ([[User talk:2001:bb6:aaa:6558:c1ae:6d56:9cd2:464c#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/2001:bb6:aaa:6558:c1ae:6d56:9cd2:464c|contribs]]) 23:45, 2 December 2018 (UTC)</small>
== [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC on the need for and implementation of a Current events noticeboard|RfC on the need for and implementation of a Current events noticeboard]] ==

Hello to the folks at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost|''Wikipedia Signpost'']] Newsroom.

I am trying to bring more attention to [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Current events noticeboard|a RfC I happened to start]]. Would anyone mind covering it as part of Discussion report? Thank you for your consideration. &#8213;<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MattLongCT|<em style="color:black">Matthew J. Long</em>]] <b>[[User talk:MattLongCT|-Talk-]]</b><sup style="font-size:75%">[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 02:38, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
:Seems to be a relatively small conversation at this point. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 05:54, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
::{{u|Indy beetle}} hence why I am try to promote it.. My apologies for not being clearer. &#8213;<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MattLongCT|<em style="color:black">Matthew J. Long</em>]] <b>[[User talk:MattLongCT|-Talk-]]</b><sup style="font-size:75%">[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 05:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|MattLongCT|}} My understanding is that ''The Signpost'' does not cover discussions unless they are large or they result (after their conclusion) in a significant change to the encyclopedia. The best bet for raising awareness about a subject would probably be to contribute an op-ed. I did this about Africa-related content—a subject I care about strongly but the rest of the community might be apathetic too—several months ago. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 21:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
::::I'll put it in the “in brief” section in the Discussion Report if it’s still going on. It was launched right around the time of publication but it looks like the next issue of the ’Post will be published a day or two before it closes. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="border-radius:10px;background:blue"><span style="color:aqua"> python</span><span style="color:#ff0">coder </span></span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 21:27, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
{{tl|done}}

==Whitewashed Wikipedia pages==
You might want to note the following article from [[Huffington Post]] entitled, "Facebook, Axios and NBC paid this guy to whitewash Wikipedia pages."  https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wikipedia-paid-editing-pr-facebook-nbc-axios_n_5c63321be4b03de942967225
[[User:Smallchief|Smallchief ]] ([[User talk:Smallchief|talk]]) 21:20, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
:I just put it in the In the Media draft. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="border-radius:10px;background:blue"><span style="color:aqua"> python</span><span style="color:#ff0">coder </span></span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 21:49, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
::If we're in the mood for something a bit more lighthearted, [https://xkcd.com/ XKCD] gave us a hat tip this week (and the article was immediately vandalized and protected). [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 21:52, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
::: we could use that pls.. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[WP:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 03:32, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
:::{{u|GreenMeansGo}}, I'm unclear, what's the copyright status of XKCD comics? [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 01:07, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
::::The exact comic is [https://xkcd.com/2123/ ] The copyright is Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 2.5 License which means that we'd need to ask for them to release it CC-BY-SA. That could be pretty easy for them to do, or maybe not. I'd be more worried about a Commons Admin saying that relicensing is not allowed - or that they'd have to make a special announcement on their page.  That shouldn't be needed, we could send the usual OTRS form and upload it here if they agree.  They can keep it licensed any way they want on their page.  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 03:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
::::I mean, we can still link to it. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 10:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::Sure. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 14:28, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
{{tl|done}}
== ReferenceTooltips update ==

There should probably be a mention of the recent changes to the ReferenceTooltips gadget by User:Jack_who_built_the_house. ReferenceTooltips now supports Harvard-style citations, and the animations were updated to be consistent with Page Previews'. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 07:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
== In the Media:  Washington Post ==

Nice short article celebrating WP Day in the Washington Post: [https://wapo.st/2FAj3h0?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.7ecb44464b06 Happy 18th birthday, Wikipedia. Let’s celebrate the Internet’s good grown-up]   One of the few articles I've seen in a major news outlet that acknowledges the work A+F has and is doing to redress gender imbalance.  And a nice shoutout to {{u|jim.henderson}}! - [[User:Kosboot|kosboot]] ([[User talk:Kosboot|talk]]) 01:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

WaPo at us again: [https://www.canberratimes.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/history-has-a-massive-gender-bias-well-settle-for-fixing-wikipedia-20190218-p50ynh.html History has a massive gender bias. We'll settle for fixing Wikipedia]  [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 01:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
== An update on gender representation ==

In light of [[Women's History Month]] in March, would be nice to have an update on gender representation both among Wikipedia's biographies and among its editorship. I've seen upcoming edit-a-thons citing statistics from close to a decade ago, so I'm curious if/how things have materially changed since then. Such a feature would have the benefit of doubling as an update for our [[Gender bias on Wikipedia]], which reads as [[WP:PROSELINE|proseline]] and could afford to be more synthetic. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 14:20, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
: A potential place to start: [https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program/Research_on_gender_gap_in_Wikipedia:_What_do_we_know_so_far%3F wikimania2018:Program/Research on gender gap in Wikipedia: What do we know so far?] (see slides) <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 14:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 	
:I don't disagree, but I think there has been reasonable coverage by the Signpost over the years, & adapting the stuff into the article is the most important. WIR can help, I'm sure. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 14:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
== [[:meta:Wikimedia Summit 2019|Wikimedia Summit 2019]] ==

I'll be in attendance as an affiliate member and would be happy to provide some reporting. Since I'm a participant, my viewpoint won't exactly be neutral, but I'd be happy to write up a little something if there's a need. [[User:Airplaneman|<span style="color:blue;size=2">Airplaneman</span>]][[User talk:Airplaneman|<span style="color:#33dd44;size=2">  ✈</span>]] 00:53, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{u|Airplaneman}}, certainly! [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 01:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
== What's the oldest hatnote on wikipedia? ==
Occasionally I will delete a hatnote, often "citation needed" but sometimes old ones like "introduction needs expanding", that is five or more years old, and which has long become irrelevant due to edits, but which has lingered on like the [[Coelacanth]]. (For some reason, otherwise edit-happy wikipedians are shy about deleting hatnotes.)  

This has led me to wonder: What's the oldest hatnote still on an article in wikipedia? I have no idea how to find out, but perhaps some clever Signpostian would know. - [[User:DavidWBrooks|DavidWBrooks]] ([[User talk:DavidWBrooks|talk]]) 18:33, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

:If not, the help desk is often a good place to get answers to this sort of question. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 18:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
== URL shortener for wikimedia projects ==

{{ping|DannyS712|Evad37}} [[Special:Permalink/890765568#URL shortener for the Wikimedia projects will be available on April 11th]], for the next tech report. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 14:42, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Headbomb}} Thanks --[[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 18:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Headbomb}} Added to the draft --[[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 21:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
== News coverage of a vandal ==

[https://www.journalnow.com/entertainment/the_arts/performing_arts/local-filmmaker-launches-podcast-hoping-shared-stories-can-change-the/article_5591a5f8-db11-5100-b7f5-f04619f81db2.htm This] was something I read several weeks ago in an actual newspaper. I was able to find it online. Someone edited Wikipedia many years ago with a hoax that became "accepted as faxt".— [[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;• [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#F80"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;• [[Special:Contribs/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:#700">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;•  19:43, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
:For the record, it was likely [[Special:Diff/116343668|this edit]]. [[User:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #8b4513;">Mind</span>]][[User_talk:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #ee8811;">matrix</span>]] 20:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
== Suggestion by Headbomb (2019-04-07) ==
''The Signpost'' should write about... [[Wikipedia:Talk pages consultation 2019]], which have now concluded.<!--Include links if you have them! --> <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 19:42, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

== Harassment coverage ==

Unfortunately, true, as I'm actually dealing with a bit of this myself at the moment. Anyway, probably worth mentioning in the next issue:
* https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/us/wikipedia-harassment-wikimedia-foundation.html
---[[User:Another Believer|<span style="color:navy">Another Believer</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Another Believer|<span style="color:#C60">Talk</span>]])</sub> 16:53, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

== Suggestion by Headbomb (2019-04-08) ==

There are many Portals-related discussion, but [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#Mass-created portals based on a single navbox|this]] is a big one.<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 20:20, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

== NYT piece on harassment ==

*{{cite web |last1=Jacobs |first1=Julia |title=Wikipedia Isn’t Officially a Social Network. But the Harassment Can Get Ugly. |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/us/wikipedia-harassment-wikimedia-foundation.html |website=The New York Times |date=8 April 2019}} <!--Include links if you have them! --> &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 23:20, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
== Please rename the article Berlin Philharmonic Chamber Orchestra ==

Hello,

I do apologize if this request must be addressed in other dialogues, however there is a problem need to be solved.

Please be so kind to rename https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Philharmonic_Chamber_Orchestra.

The title is wrong. The correct one is '''Philharmonic Chamber Orchestra Berlin''', but not Berlin Philharmonic Chamber Orchestra.

I regret it is not possible to rename this manually (the Move option is disabled).

Thanks a lot. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hkaralahti|Hkaralahti]] ([[User talk:Hkaralahti#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hkaralahti|contribs]]) 05:43, February 12, 2019 (UTC)</small>

:{{ping|Hkaralahti}} [[WP:WRONGFORUM]]. Please see [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]]. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 18:05, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
:Also please sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="border-radius:10px;background:blue"><span style="color:aqua"> python</span><span style="color:#ff0">coder </span></span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 20:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
{{resolved}}

== Pronouns ==

Tony has suggested we may wish to respond to to humour piece by {{U|SMcCandlish}} and {{U|Barbara (WVS)}}.

Presuming the piece which mocks pronouns will avoid deletion, I suggest a humorous response in the next Signpost that targets the abuse that LGBT+ contributors have had over the last couple of years. I'm sure there would be sufficient case studies, especially reading through the more ignorant comments in Arbcom cases that make the top 10. I recall the ''hilarious'' fisting comment that someone made in the case against me, you know to reinforce how queer I am must deserve a joke about sodomy, and there are past ''delightfully'' ignorant comments about how to describe transgender people that should be good for a few chuckles by the average non-LGBT+ identifying Wikipedian. Coincidentally this may help the wider public have a more honest view of our Wikimedia community, rather than the faux lovely collaborative friendly haven that gets painted at wikimeets and in official WMF videos full of young people having fun and "being themselves".

Thoughts? --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Fæ}} Thanks for acknowledging that Wikipedia is meant to serve people like me: the {{tq|"old straight white"}} man, cis-gendered, over-educated, and comfortable. This isn't [[Conservapedia]] but it will have to do. I don't think there will be any interest in your piece but we appreciate all suggestions. You and Tony might start a draft. ''The Signpost'' is constantly asking for contributors and you are welcome, as is everyone regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, religion, etc. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 15:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

::[[User:Fæ|Fæ]], how many places do you intend to make the same point? Are ten pages enough? A hundred? Please stop this behavior. You appear to be attempting to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 19:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

::: You seem content to live in stasis. I would rather have a future where things can get better. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 20:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

::::What say we compromise on a future '''WHERE YOU QUIT SPAMMING'''? That world would be at least a ''little'' better. Then we could improve the world even more and have a future where you aren't trying to get {{userlinks|SMcCandlish}} fired from his position as a WMF Tech Ambassador[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tech/Ambassadors#SMcCandlish] just because you don't like his opinions. I'm just saying.

::::BTW, if you are detecting an undercurrent of disdain towards self-appointed censors who make jokes about old straight white men, you are not imagining it. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 23:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

::::: CoC, and whether a person incredibly insensitive to respectful treatment of queer people should be trusted with the WMF brand, is not a matter for discussion on this project. It is foolish to call basic issues of governance spamming. If you don't like it, follow your own free advice, don't read it, it's not even on this project. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 00:26, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::: Guy Macon obviously means [[WP:FORUMSHOPPING]], in more "WP:something"-specific terms. And going on and on and on about the same thing at new page after new page, because you're not [[WP:WINNING]] in the previous ones, certainly qualifies (it's also [[WP:Tendentious editing]]). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 02:08, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
::::In Fae's defense, RIGHTGREATWRONGS does not apply to ''Signpost'' content. After all, if one took the perspective of the aforementioned Humor article, it could be seen as PREVENTINGGREATWRONGS (that's my interpretation of the comments section, because I haven't been able to view the proper article). I am all for controversial humor, but it appears this subject should be dealt with in the more serious Op-ed form first. Unless all we want to do is ignite a firestorm. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 22:49, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::It's simply not true that GREATWRONGS only applies to in-article content; all of [[WP:TE]] applies site-wide, and it is regularly enforced at ANI, AE, etc., against talk-page and project-space disruption. However, it's unlikely to be applicable to an essay published in ''The Signpost'' in the first place, since it is for editorial content, and the piece envisioned sounds relevant to WP editing and the community. That is, this wouldn't be under GREATWRONGS, but because writing an opinion essay in a venue for opinion essays isn't tendentiousness, not because of what namespaces someone wrongly imagines GREATWRONGS can't apply to. There is actual tendentiousness here, but it's in Fæ's pattern of harping on the issue at page after page until they get "satisfaction" (they hope), a behavioral problem that got them long-term topic banned before and probably will again real soon now. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 02:08, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Um, I did not say "GREATWRONGS only applies to in-article content". My reasoning for why it wouldn't apply to ''The Signpost'' is the exact same as yours. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 22:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
: Just when I was worried that you might have stopped trying to stir up drama... [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 23:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
:: You don't get it. This ''is'' the collegiate approach. An easier option is to just let the crash happen, and wear the "I told you how bad it would be" t shirt.
:: Actually, that option is looking quite attractive this evening. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|talk]]) 23:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
:I lack Fæ's censorious impulse, so I have no opposition to this idea (though I'm not sure which Tony is being referred to, and Fæ dragging this micro-crusade all across en.WP and to Meta and to Wikipedia-L and who knows where else is a tendentiousness and forum-shopping problem). I think such a ''Signpost'' essay will be a failure if it dwells on going after my essay, instead of focusing on the actual problem Fæ wants to highlight ("the abuse that LGBT+ contributors have had over the last couple of years", though I don't know what special significance a time-frame that specific is supposed to have), because my piece wasn't abuse of LGBT+ contributors, no matter how hard Fæ tries to spin it as such. (For one thing, the assumption that I'm not within the LGBT+ umbrella is false, though I don't go into details about such matters in places like this, as it's rather unseemly to dwell on sexual preferences here.)  An essay that {{em|actually focused on its real topic}} would probably be successful and potentially useful, whether done as a serious piece or a humor one. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 02:08, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
*As already noted, the March's Humor Chronicle has already been written and largely published. Concerning the April's one, an empty page, tagged with <this page has been intentionally left blank> seems to be a good candidate. Life itself is the most humorous source of humor, isn't it ? [[User:Pldx1|Pldx1]] ([[User talk:Pldx1|talk]]) 09:46, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
:: So much of what we think of as humor depends on delivery and vocal inflection.  One can't simply transcribe such humor and expect it to be understood or have the same effect.  People wanting to write humor have to go back to humorous authors like [[P.G. Wodehouse]] and [[Dorothy Parker]] to understand how to write something humorous that won't be misunderstood. - [[User:Kosboot|kosboot]] ([[User talk:Kosboot|talk]]) 14:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
{{resolved}}

== An interesting article about polarized crowds and Wikipedia ==

Thought this might be on interest to Signpost... http://nautil.us/issue/70/variables/wikipedia-and-the-wisdom-of-polarized-crowds   --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 19:37, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
:We already covered this research (back then in preprint form) in [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-02-20/Recent research]]. Regards. [[User:Tbayer (WMF)|Tbayer (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Tbayer (WMF)|talk]]) 00:28, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
{{resolved}}
== Suggestion by The C of E (2019-04-10) ==

''The Signpost'' should write about how successful DYK's April Fools Day was. Of the 19 hooks we had running in 2 sets, 13 of them made it onto the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Statistics#April_2019 DYK Statistics page] and we had numerous comments on social media praising us for our work.   <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E  </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the Queen!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 12:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{Re|The C of E}} do you have links to such social media comments? Like a twitter hashtag, or facebook groupies going wild? &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 14:17, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|Headbomb}} It won't let me post the link due to twitter being blacklisted. [https://twitter.com/searc?src=typd&q=wikipedia%20april%20fools&lang=en-gb Just add h to the end of search in the url here] and you should be able to see the bypass. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E  </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the Queen!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 15:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
== Essay suggestion ==

''The Signpost'' should feature [[Wikipedia:Notability comparison test]] in its essay section for the April 2019 edition. Yes, I know that I am the author of this essay, but I really think that it is good enough to be featured. [[User:VarunSoon|VarunSoon]] ([[User talk:VarunSoon|talk]]) 06:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
:That is a page that will not be able to be understood by anyone but logicians and mathematicians. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 10:06, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|Headbomb}}
::*Usual parsing: this proposition is false since I consider myself neither a logician nor a mathematician and yet I am able to understand it.
::*Charitable interpretation: ''Not enough people would be able to understand it.''
::*Response: Last time I check, I explain the background and context of the essay in great details, and I did write an informal statement of the test. This essay is of historical (Wikipedia) significance because it concerns a type of argument that was used in past deletion discussions. Its purpose is to vindicate such an argument. The proof is for people who are not convinced. Also, this essay is better than no essay at all. [[User:VarunSoon|VarunSoon]] ([[User talk:VarunSoon|talk]]) 03:53, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
::::{{Re|VarunSoon}} You may not consider yourself a logician, but you have [https://sites.google.com/view/varunryansoontornniyomkij/misconceptions-about-zfc studied formal logic] at one point. Walk to anyone in the street and ask what
:::::<math>\neg (J \rightarrow O(\neg X_B)) \rightarrow F</math>
::::or
:::::<math>[n(a) \ge n(b)] \rightarrow [((b \in W) \rightarrow (a \in W)) \wedge ((a \notin W) \rightarrow (b \notin W))]</math>, 
:::::where <math>n</math> is a notability function whose domain is a Wikipedia article <math>a,\ldots,v</math> and whose range <math>n(x)</math> is the set of [[natural numbers]] {{math|1=ℕ<sup>*</sup>}}, and <math>W</math> is the set of articles worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.
::::means and you'll get blank stares. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 03:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::Simply my own testimony here, but my eyes water at those functions. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 04:06, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Headbomb}} This still does not change the fact that the proposition is false. Also, in the essay, I wrote English first before the symbolization. The symbolization and the proof are extra materials. [[User:VarunSoon|VarunSoon]] ([[User talk:VarunSoon|talk]]) 04:08, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::Extra materials which are unscrutable, unreviewable, and completely inaccessible. What you wrote could very well be true. But for all we know, you could also have written the equivalent of {{xt|1=2 + 2 = [[File:Target Flat Icon.svg|16px]]{{su|p=Orange 2%}}}}, something that's [[not even wrong]] because we cannot cannot understand what you are writing. ''The Signpost'' isn't a logic journal. We write for a general audience, and this essay, whatever it is supposed to be, isn't directed to the general audience. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 04:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Headbomb}}...Hmm, either I have overestimated something or you have not read the English part of the essay at all. [[User:VarunSoon|VarunSoon]] ([[User talk:VarunSoon|talk]]) 04:41, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::I'll put it this way, I can't make it past the first sentence before having to look something up. And when I reach "Initial argument: It is the case that ''P'', because of justification ''J''.", I know I don't need to read more, because there is no point in reading something that is not designed to be understood. Print the essay, go to your local coffee shop, and see how fast people stop reading. I guarantee you they'll have given up before reaching "Ad hominem tu quoque".  &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 04:51, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::::{{ping|Headbomb}} Have you ever used variables and placeholders? Okay, I get it; it is the former that is the case. I did overestimate something. [[User:VarunSoon|VarunSoon]] ([[User talk:VarunSoon|talk]]) 05:05, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::Plenty of times, I have a background in physics, run a few bots, code plenty of templates, and the like. And I've been on Wikipedia for 10+ years, with about a quarter million edits. And I ''still'' can't understand what you are trying to write. My advice, write as if your target audience is a crowd of intelligent [[gardener]]s interested in Wikipedia. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 05:19, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
I pretty much have to agree with Headbomb here. It's pretty hard to get through unless you brushed up on your symbolic logic recently.  Most Wikipedians haven't.  And then, at the end - if I understood this correctly - it all comes down to the assumption that notability can be quantified. I'd disagree with that. So if article A had a notability score of 11, and article B has a notability score of 10 and was considered adequately notable to be included in Wikipedia, then article A should also be kept. Seems obvious if you accept the premise that notability can be quantified, which I don't. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 21:55, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
:Just to let you know what kind of "function" I think notability has based on underlying factors.  It's probably most like a set of separate minimum standards that have to be met, i.e. all the following boxes have to be checked to be notable, if all aren't checked then it's not notable, so the only quantities you can report would be 0 or 1, and the results would be both trivial and misleading.  Something similar that comes up in the real world is [[Grain_quality#Grain_quality_grade_and_specification]] [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 22:09, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

== maybe we get rid of COI rules for the nice, innocent people trying to help? ==

{{diff|Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard|892136659|892132716|Jimbo thinks}} his friend should be allowed to make COI edits because she's a good person. Surely someone with more time on their hands might want to write an essay about this. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 13:27, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
::Don't see much of a story there. "Jimbo asks for advice, wants to make sure a friend edits within norms." &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 16:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
:::Well, to me it looks more like a request to waive rules for friends, especially [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Benefactors/2013-2014 those] that [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Benefactors/2014-2015 donate money] to the WMF. I don't have any friends, especially when I have a duty to perform. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 00:47, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
::::I think there could be a story here. {{u|Smallbones}}, what do you think? —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 01:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
::::: The financial connection was not known to me at the time of my comments, I agree that with the financial connection there is a bigger story. Not sure how big, but it's not nothing and certainly worth looking into. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 02:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
::::::Where is Jimbo asking to "waive rules for friends"? The noticeboard edit linked to certainly doesn't show that. Jimbo's inquiry is "What is best practice for someone who has a COI tag but wants to do the right thing, in terms of getting that tag removed and getting further edits done to an article?" It is certainly possible to get a COI tag removed (legitimately) and it is certainly possible for a COI editor to legitimately influence further edits to a COI article. Jimbo's question is explicitly not asking to waive the rules, as he emphasizes several times that he wants advice on how a COI editor can do these things legitimately and above-board. As to whether Jimbo should be spending his time helping COI editors, that's a different matter (and could be a legitimate topic for an op-ed), but we shouldn't make up false accusations about him like some kind of sensationalist tabloid. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 21:18, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Reporting for duty! (BTW, I have much more time for The Signpost for the next 2+ weeks.) I'm pretty sure I don't want to write this article, but if somebody else wanted to, I'll suggest some guidelines.
* we should not bash Jimbo just for the sake of Jimbo-bashing. Save it for when he really makes a mistake.  He's done enough for Wikipedia that we can certainly assume good faith.
* similarly, we should be respectful toward folks that give the WMF money. BUT if they *intentionally* go over the line and ask for special favors they are fair game.  In general assuming good faith works with donors as well as editors.
I personally would like the rules for paid and COI editing to be tightened, but there are ways that folks can give us feedback on "their" articles that don't bother me at all, e.g. posting a freely licensed full article or even just commentary '''on their own website''' so that we can quote them and give real attribution (not just "somebody declared that they are paid editors and wanted this included in the article"). Another way would be to post their own video on YouTube and we can (in most cases - if the copyright is clear) link it. Something like the way, I posted (to "his" article) a commercial video featuring [[Ice-T]] which had him commenting on "his" Wikipedia article. It is copyright policy compliant, gives the facts on Ice-T's self-reporting of his life, funny as hell, the highlight of a pretty good article, and BTW confirms most of what is written in the article.  My point is that a little creativity in addressing the perceived problem can go a long way. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 18:39, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
== Column "El Diario Hispano" ==

Good morning everyone, I would like to write a column about Wikipedia in Spanish because Wikipedia: El Noticiero is inactive. The column will be called "El Diario Hispano". They would approve me, please.

Attentively....

--[[User:Villalaso|Villalaso]] ([[User talk:Villalaso|talk]]) 16:22, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

:''The Signpost'' is on English Wikipedia. I think it would antithetical to print a non-English language article in the publication, seeing as most of the readership would not understand it. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 19:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

But, it would be news and opinions of users of Wikipedia in Spanish .... in English. Thus, the younger sister of Wikipedia in English can have a voice. Of course I will write in English. His new name will be: "The Signpost Hispanic." --[[User:Villalaso|Villalaso]] ([[User talk:Villalaso|talk]]) 23:10, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

:I think {{u|Villalaso}} is suggesting a column in the English language about Spanish Wikipedia, rather than a column written in the Spanish language. [[WP:POST/ABOUT]] says “The Signpost is a monthly community-written and -edited online newspaper covering the English Wikipedia, '''its sister projects''', the Wikimedia Foundation, and the Wikimedia movement at large” (bold is mine). So I believe this is in the Signpost’s scope, though it’s of course up to {{u|Smallbones}}, the editor-in-chief. {{small|Por favor use <nowiki>{{ping|Pythoncoder}}</nowiki> si quiera una traducción}} —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 02:11, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
::Honestly when making {{tl|Newsletters}}, I was wondering if we should have an interwiki update of some kind. I think there would be demand for that, although it would be a fairly hard column to write. Google translating the other newsletters would likely be OK for some routine coverage, but it'd be hard to keep track of everything, and we'd miss a lot that a native [language] speaker with actual experience on the [language] Wikipedia would know. There's potential here. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 02:46, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

: Oh I see. Well as long as the material is written in English it sounds like good game for an article. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 02:25, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

== Translation efforts for Arabic Wikipedia ==

Might be worth an in the news mention. [https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/04/iraq-bayt-hikma-wikipedia-knowledge-culture.html] -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 02:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
== Press release from Everipedia ==

Not sure if this is really worth an "in the news" mention, but Everipedia has [https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/new-survey-finds-majority-of-wikipedia-users-have-never-edited-an-article-825031748.html published a press release] / about us. The article includes some interesting survey figures Everipedia gathered (potential bias?) that frames us an an exlusionist, biased website. It finishes with a not so subtle ad about the "more modern and inclusive alternative to Wikipedia". Naturally, the dateline lists the location famous for being a refuge to the common man and all other marginialised persons, the [[Cayman Islands]]. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 03:29, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
:"{{xt|In fact, Wikipedia has recently been in the news because a third of the site's content is created by just one man}}." Laughable. As was that claim back when it was made on CBS. The rest of the 'press release' reads like a one-side puff piece, which clearly exploits the ambiguity in a word like "user" (here meaning ''readers''). Might be worth reporting on, but this certainly isn't what I'd call a neutral source. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 03:50, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
::Everipedia are just struggling for attention, especially since the blockchain fad passed. We may have biases, but at least we don’t openly welcome paid advocacy. If this came up last month I would suggest delaying publication of the latest issue by a day because Everipedia makes a great April Fools joke, but now I would just say [[WP:DENY]]. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 13:59, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
::Oh, and I found [https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/10/13/everipedia-the-wikipedia-for-being-wrong-but-on-the-blockchain/ more evidence] of [https://theoutline.com/post/2369/everipedia-is-the-wikipedia-for-being-wrong?zd=2&zi=a7h2xvsq the Wikipedia for being wrong]’s crappiness: 
::*[https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/everipedia-faq/#what-do-i-need-to-contribute-to-everipedia They charge people to edit.]
::*OMG!!! They use moar memes and [https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/Barack_Obama/ GIFs]! dAnK!!!!!1
::**Despite their low inclusion standards and greater memeness, they don’t have an article on [[PewDiePie vs T-Series]]. 
::*[https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/red_meat/ Their Wikipedia cloning system seems to have malfunctioned] (cf [[red meat]], [[Red Meat]]).
::*You can (or at least could at one point) [http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/UnNews:Wikimedia_Foundation_to_introduce_paid_editing buy articles]... er, [https://web.archive.org/web/20171003142700/https://everipedia.org/everipedia-plus/ buy articles] and lock them so people can’t take out your spam.
::*Ads.
::Why did Larry join this again? It is truly the new Citizendium. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 15:02, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
* There's a barnstar in it for whoever can find the original full text of the survey questions, and/or any actual information on their methodology. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 15:17, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
***agree [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 20:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
** Presuming there was any to begin with. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 15:44, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
**: All I've found is [https://decrypted1.typeform.com/to/uoCYus their own feedback survey], though the PR appears to cite something different. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 03:04, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm very happy seeing this discussion here. I have mixed views similar to the above comments, but would love to get more guidance from contributors and readers. I put a reminder to myself yesterday about Everipedia in the In the media draft:
*Possible [https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/new-survey-finds-majority-of-wikipedia-users-have-never-edited-an-article-825031748.html Turkey of the month]
I've been considering a "Gobbler of the month" (or similar) subfeature in ItM for months (!) now. I sorta went half-way last month with the Breitbart News article written by a banned en-Wiki editor.  But I didn't actually put in the direct criticism that I really wanted to - figuring that a straight news approach would work better. It didn't. It confused at least one reader and got her very upset, and justifiably so.

So my first question is: "Is ItM a straight report on news articles about Wikipedia -including just enough info on the content of the articles to let interested readers know if they'd like to read them; or is ItM a journalism review with critical commentary?

I've seen both done in the column, but mostly mixed together when critical commentary was included, which I don't think works well. I think GotM would let readers know that this section is supposed to be criticism.  If that works maybe start an "Article of the month" for positive reviews.

My 2nd question is "Isn't it better to just let the turkeys die without giving them the attention they crave?" My tentative answer is - it would be if they'd just die, but they keep coming back. There's more than enough material to use here every month, e.g. sports writers who report short-term vandalism with word spread via Twitter, articles on how to get the best paid editor to get around the rules, folks who just misunderstand what Wikipedia is about or how we work. So for now I'm leaning to "let's try it a couple of times and see if it works." Somebody should tell these folks that this type of article is just turkey noise, at least once.

All feed back appreciated. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 18:08, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

:Just to let people know what I'm thinking of I'll post some work product (not even a 1st rough draft yet)
'''Gobbler of the month'''
[[File:Meleagris gallopavo displaying at Deer Island Open Space Preserve.jpg|thumb|150px]] 

Everipedia, which claims to be “world's largest online English encyclopedia” [https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/new-survey-finds-majority-of-wikipedia-users-have-never-edited-an-article-825031748.html  posted a press release] on why they are better than Wikipedia.  Everipedia’s 6 million plus articles include about 5.5 million old Wikipedia articles. Searching for “main page” on Everipedia will take you to a page titled “Everipedia, the encyclopedia of everything” with the text starting “Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. 5,532,166 articles in English” and the rest of Wikipedia’s Main Page from December 16, 2017.

The press release immediately invites skepticism by stating that “a third of (Wikipedia’s) content is created by just one man.” Note to {{noping|Ser Amantio Di Nicolao}} - you’re good, but you ain’t nearly ''that good.'' 

The core of the press release is based on a survey of 1,000 Americans. Neither the methodology or a full set of results are given, but a motley collection of questionable results include:
*A majority of Wikipedia users have never edited an article
**They apparently mean that a majority of Wikipedia readers have never edited an article


Paying editors/being paid by editors  cryptocurrency IQ, blockchain.

Maybe ask {{ping|David Gerard}} for a 1 or 2-line quote. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 20:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

:I actually provided one to Decrypt! (Who I also freelance for, but anyway.) A quote, from a Crypto Expert (I go on telly and all) who is also a Wikipedia Expert (I go on telly and all): "These are all real problems with Wikipedia - and we're very aware of them. But that doesn't mean Everipedia's paid-editing model solves a single one of them, and they've given no evidence that it does." - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 22:27, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
:I'd support this endeavor. Suggest putting the word "users" in quotes to emphasize Everipedia's use of the word, not our own. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 19:37, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
== Notre Dame fire? ==

The [[2019 Notre-Dame de Paris fire]] just wrecked one of the most famous architectural landmarks in the world. It could make a good gallery entry, both from before, during, and after the fire. Special attention should be given to the before section, given no more picture of the cathedral in its unburned state can happen. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 18:46, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
:We should also ask people to contribute more pre-fire images if possible. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 22:54, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

:Maybe Wikimedia will respond with something similar to [https://wikimediafoundation.org/2018/09/10/national-museum-brazil-fire/ the digital preservation efforts after the Brazilian museum fire]? Something we should anticipate. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 02:29, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

::I think this would be a great gallery - we got 1000s of before photos (this must be one of the most photographed buildings in the world and there are many drawings and painting from before photography), there are  lots of photos and at least one video during the fire, and now we have a set of photos after the fire.  It might be possible to get sets of three photos (before, during, after) from different viewpoints. So far the after viewpoints are limited, but that may change.  There are about 5 very good pix from during, but limited viewpoints (last I looked).  Any volunteers? [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 01:35, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

== Suggestion by Epiphyllumlover (2019-04-16) ==

''The Signpost'' should write about... Current feud over [[Criticism of the Catholic Church]]--[[User:Epiphyllumlover|Epiphyllumlover]] ([[User talk:Epiphyllumlover|talk]]) 17:17, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
:Currently has around 4 users involved; suggester is one of the main participants. Normally I like to see a bit more participation before I add something to the Discussion Report. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 19:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
::I don't really see how that's a particularly notable event on Wikipedia. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 06:02, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
== Essay suggestion (redux) ==

I have "come out of the [[ivory tower]]" and made my essay ([[Wikipedia:Notability comparison test]]) more accessible. Thus, once again, I propose it for the upcoming edition of ''Signpost''. [[User:VarunSoon|VarunSoon]] ([[User talk:VarunSoon|talk]]) 10:53, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:Much more digestible. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 22:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
== In the Media:  Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia [review in JAMS] ==

The current issue of the Journal of the American Musicological Society (JAMS) (Spring 2019, Vol. 72, No. 1, pp. 279-295) has a [http://jams.ucpress.edu/content/72/1/279 review by Darren Mueller of Wikipedia] from the point of view of musicology. He is clearly very familiar with Wikipedia including its social networks and provides good context for understanding issues.  Beyond the uneven coverage of articles of musicological interest (sometimes very good, sometimes not, and sometimes non-extant) Mueller ponders the issues an open access encyclopedia means for academia. He notes that musicology tends to be written for and read by other musicologists.  Wikipedia presents an opportunity to broaden the audience to understand and learn what musicology is and what musicologists do. His concluding statement: "...[Wikipedia's] presence invites us to think differently about the way musicological knowledge operates in the wider world. Wikipedia offers a chance to reimagine, collectively." - [[User:Kosboot|kosboot]] ([[User talk:Kosboot|talk]]) 15:26, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Kosboot}} This looks very interesting. Thanks for the heads up.  Did you mean that Darren Mueller is a Wikiapedian, or that the review is about Wikipedia?  In any case, I tracked his email down and I'd bet I can get a copy of the paper. Is there a way for our readers to find a free copy?  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 17:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|Smallbones}} I meant that the review is about Wikipedia. Members of the society can get a copy of the article immediately. It'll eventually be up on JSTOR.  You might want to ask the Society whether they might offer that article as open access since it will be of great interest to many in the Wikimedia community. - [[User:Kosboot|kosboot]] ([[User talk:Kosboot|talk]]) 22:31, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Kosboot}} Thanks, I've sent off an email to Mueller. I'll see what he says and try to get something in the next issue. I can't say what until I actually see the article of course. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 02:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Kosboot}} I've got a copy now, thanks. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 23:20, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
==Adam Moriarty from Auckland Museum blogs about working with wikipedia==

https://medium.com/@adamrmor/do-museums-still-need-a-collections-online-9cf7cb07d5d1

[[User:Geni|©Geni]] ([[User talk:Geni|talk]]) 22:17, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

[[File:Adam Moriarty - Do we still need a Museum collections online-.webm|thumb|upright=1.5]] 
:Great stuff - where's the *best* place to use it?  It deserves better than just a paragraph in "In the media". I'd like to include the video. Does anybody know which photo gets 250,000 pageviews per month? [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 04:32, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

== Suggestion by andrybak (2019-05-11) ==

''The Signpost'' should write about this RfC to change TfD page/process: [[Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion#RfC: Proposal to make TfD more RM-like, as a clearinghouse of template discussions]]. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 16:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:{{yo|Andrybak}} Queued for the “follow-ups” section in next issue’s discussion report. Thank you for the suggestion! —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 17:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
== Wikipedia Is Now Banned in China in All Languages ==

From [http://time.com/5589439/china-wikipedia-online-censorship/ TIME]. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 13:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
:Well isn't this peachy. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 14:14, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
== [[:m:Requests for comment/Do something about azwiki]] ==

There is a proposal to remove all sysops on Azerbaijani Wikipedia. However, as I proposed it, maybe I should not comment on it further. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 04:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
:Probably in Discussion report. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 04:36, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::I actually started a draft about this in my [[User:GreenMeansGo/sandbox]], just to see what I would come up with if I tried to write about it. I figured I would stew on it a couple days, and I haven't figured out how to end it. But I'm more than open to the idea if someone else wants to try to collaborate on it. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 14:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:::I've finally gone over this and am pleasantly surprised. I thought it would be a total mess to explain, and you start out (and continue saying) approx. "this is a total mess to explain." It seems to work.  It also strikes me that you don't take sides, even though it might be seen as criticizing everyone.  Then there is the question of combining humor in an opinion piece partially about genocide. Again it seems to work - you are not making fun of dead people, only about how people have reacted to it.
:::Have there been any developments since May 11?  If not I'd go with ending #3.
:::I'd be very interested in others reactions.  There's a fairly large chance that this could be taken to ANI or ArbCom, perhaps by both (or all) sides. I guess I'd need 100% support from the SP staff and especially by {{ping|GreenMeansGo}}. Do you want to go ahead with this. FWIW, I'll predict that if it goes to arbcom that the decision will be that everybody who complains about the article is wrong, that somebody needs to talk about the situation. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 18:57, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
::::I'll be at military training mostly stuck on mobile for the next three weeks. Anyone who is in the mood for coauthor credit feel free to find a way to end it and publish it. I'm afraid I won't have much time to work on much of anything. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 20:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

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== Would Essay [[User:BU Rob13/AGF applies to everyone]] work? ==

I tend not to like the Essay column.  Either the essay is so old and accepted that everybody knows it already; or it is so new that it's likely not to be accepted.  "AGF applies to everyone" is completely different and even newsworthy.  It likely has some downside as well, so just checking on what other folks think.

[[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 18:16, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
:{{u|Smallbones}} Seems like a good essay to use to freshen up the essay column. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 21:45, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
:If you do publicize my essay, I would ask two things: First, that you make clear that I did not write it ''for'' the Signpost in an Editor's Note at the top. I am worried that, in the absence of such a note, my resignation will seem political. And second, that you do not present the essay as "leading to my resignation" or otherwise forming the majority of my rationale for resignation, since this is not the case. The essay documents the only portion of my rationale for resigning that I care to share, but that does not mean it represents my full rationale, or even a majority thereof. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 03:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
::{{re|Smallbones}} Making sure the above is seen, with the added note that I am somewhat disturbed by the current note written at the top of the essay page that you've constructed. My resignation had absolutely nothing to do with the administrator account security motion, and the note reads like one is editorializing otherwise. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 21:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|BU Rob13}} I thought I was straightforward in saying that I didn't know the cause of your resignation and that others should be careful in their interpretations. Well that didn't work -sorry.  Let me then put the simplest possible intro without saying anything to others about interpretation. Let's try:
::::"''The essay was written by {{noping|BU Rob13}} as an essay in his user space on May 4. We selected it for our ongoing series of essays. It was not submitted to The Signpost by BU Rob13.''" <small>[[User:Smallbones|– S]]</small>
:::I don't want to put you in the position where some folks might say "he in effect did submit it to The Signpost" . It is our decision on whether to re-publish it.  That said, I usually assume that somebody who writes an essay wants it to be publicized. Since it is in user space rather than WP space I may reconsider that.  Please let me know if you object to it being re-published and if you have anything else you'd like to see added or subtracted from the editor's introduction. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 23:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
::::I personally did not expect that essay to become as public as it did, perhaps naively. I wrote it in a moment of frustration, and I still may yet delete it. If it was up to me, I would prefer it not to be reprinted in the Signpost, but at the same time, this project is based on free re-use of content, so that's really not 100% up to me. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 23:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::Understood. I'm glad that you understand the free re-use of material on Wikipedia.  I'm reconsidering.  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 00:07, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} I feel that as a courtesy to the author, we should not publish the essay. We shouldn't be publishing stuff when the author has made a good-faith request for us not to do so. —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 00:08, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
:{{ec}} I don't like this essay, if only because it speaks too much to BU Rob13's personal experience and not the idea that even longtime editors and admins ought to enjoy the benefit of the doubt, too. It could be edited to make it more generalized and perhaps point to other examples but right now, this is only one editors regrets. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 00:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
OK - it's out. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 01:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
:It's still referred to in the arbitration report: did you want it to remain there? [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 23:40, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
::I don't care if it's referred to there. My soft objection was more to re-posting it, because it could give the impression my resignation was done to give me some type of platform, when that is not the case. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 16:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

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== Another "Gobbler of the month" ==

This one is on the [[Detroit Tigers]] who requested that their fans vandalize Wikipedia.  As usual this type of blurb deserves some careful review.  Please see the bottom of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/In the media]]. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 19:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

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== If we need to run an essay... ==

One of my favorites is [[Wikipedia:An unfinished house is a real problem]]. {{u|Ipatrol}} wrote it almost ten years ago and I think it deserves more eyeballs. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 00:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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== Late ITM Suggestion by Pythoncoder (2019-05-29) ==

https://slate.com/technology/2019/05/donald-trump-wikipedia-page.html <!--Include links if you have them! --> —[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]]) 12:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
:Definitely include this; I was coming here to suggest it also. Journalists and other outsiders rarely understand how Wikipedia works. This essay is a mostly-accurate account of our "backstage" work to create and manage the encyclopedia. Complete with amusing animated graphics of edits being added, reverted, added again. -- [[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 16:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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== Wikipedia and North Face ==

Wikipedia editors finding and fighting against clear promotional approach by North Face to gain Google SEO, as described by [https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/29/18644158/north-face-wikipedia-hack-leo-burnett-top-imagens The Verge] and [https://adage.com/creativity/work/north-face-top-imagens/2174261 Ad Age]. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:41, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
* Relevant discussions: [[Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom#North Face]], [[WP:ANI#User Gmortaia vandalizing pages with guerrilla advertising|ANI]], [[commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by User:Fhpatucci]] 
: Also is there any evidence that the images actually made it to the top of Google Images? The placement is so minuscule that it feels like the point was the stunt (i.e., the video), not the actual Google Images results. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 01:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
:*The page views for [[The North Face]] did [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=The_North_Face increase dramatically] after the incident became pubic. And someone kindly placed a section about the embarrassment on the page too. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 04:04, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

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== WikiJournals as a sister project ==

I'm not sure of the exact appropriate venue for this, but there is a sister project proposal that I think would be useful for the signpost-reading community to be aware of at [[meta:WikiJournal]]. I'm happy to write a short article about what's been going on in the project over the last couple of years (prev signpost articles on WikiJournals: [[wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2016-06-15/Special report#Wikiversity Journal: A new user group|1]] & [[wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2017-09-06/Special report|2]]. Also relevant: [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-04-30/Recent research#Wikipedia as an academic publisher?|1]] & [[wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-10-01/News and notes|2]]). However I don't want to cause any canvassing issues, so no worries if you prefer to write something independently, or just have a single-sentence note in one of the other sections. Let me know what you think is best. [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo<small>&#38;</small>Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|talk]]</sup> 10:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

:{{ping|Smallbones|Chris troutman}} Could I check whether you would be interested in something along these lines? I've also made a short suggested post tailored to the Kurier, [[:de:Benutzer:Evolution_and_evolvability/sandbox|here]] but the systems for the Signpost are somewhat different. [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo<small>&#38;</small>Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|talk]]</sup> 02:26, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|Evolution and evolvability}} I'm certainly interested in seeing a submission - perhaps 4 times as long as the Kurier piece, but the length is up to you.  I've been talking with an author of a broader somewhat related piece and will likely hear from him tomorrow.  I'll email you by Monday if I think there's some type of cooperation that might work.  [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 03:21, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
:::{{re|Smallbones}} Works for me. I'll start drafting something flexible at [[User:Evolution and evolvability/Signpost draft]]. [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo<small>&#38;</small>Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|talk]]</sup> 02:49, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Evolution and evolvability}} I did get a chance for a brief chat with him. He *may* contact you for some general input, but it looks like there's not much chance for cooperation this month.  It does point out interest in the general topic, so I do look forward to your submission. [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 03:10, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Smallbones}} No worries either way. What's the deadline for inclusion in the next issue? [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo<small>&#38;</small>Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|talk]]</sup> 03:54, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Evolution and evolvability}} officially June 28, but there's likely going to be several submissions coming in at the last moment for this issue, so June 25 would be a lot better for me! [[User:Smallbones|Smallbones]]<sub>([[User talk:Smallbones|<span style="color: #cc6600;">smalltalk</span>]])</sub> 04:12, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::{{re|Smallbones}} Thanks. Full-length draft now [[wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Submissions#WikiJournals: A sister project proposal|finished and submitted]]. [[User:Evolution and evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo<small>&#38;</small>Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution and evolvability|talk]]</sup> 08:18, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

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== Suggestion by Bri (2019-06-06) ==

''The Signpost'' should write about desysopping and blocking an active admin. Summary of situation [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=900532516&oldid=900526947 provided] by {{U|Kurtis}} follows. [[User:Bri.public|Bri.public]] ([[User talk:Bri.public|talk]]) 15:53, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
{{tq|Od Mishehu has repeatedly engaged in disruptive editing while logged out. The edits themselves were not egregiously harmful, consisting of nothing more than run-of-the-mill vandalism <s>to articles</s>, but it obviously does mean that he has lost trust. The technical and behavioral evidence is incontrovertible, as determined by multiple checkusers and arbitrators; there is no reasonable doubt that these acts of petty vandalism were committed by Od Mishehu himself. His private correspondence with members of the committee failed to adequately address the concerns raised. As a result of his inappropriate conduct, he has been desysopped, and is now indefinitely block by BU Rob13 acting in his capacity as checkuser.}}
: Just so you're all aware, I've fixed my comment at the ACN talk page, striking out "articles" and adding "non-article pages". [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Also: {{noping|Nv8200p}} was effectively {{Diff2|898344845|de-sysopped by Arbcom}} due to loss of account control. Now editing as Nv8200pa; neither account shows sysop privileges in [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|List of administrators]] and near as I can tell they haven't requested restoration ([[WP:RETURN]] procedure). - [[User:Bri.public|Bri.public]] ([[User talk:Bri.public|talk]]) 19:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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== Fram blocked by Office for no reason ==

{{noping|Fram}} was blocked by WMF Office and they provided {{diff|Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard|901280610|901280517|this nonsense explanation}}. Certainly, if we had someone that could pin down facts about it, that would be a good item for the next issue. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 23:18, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

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== Potential Gobbler of the month ==

In addition to the WMF for their inadequately explained office action above, I say someone else ought to be featured in our gobbler blurb. Journalist [[Sharyl Attkisson]] has announced on [https://sharylattkisson.com her website] the beginning of the [https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/06/the-wikipedia-correction-project-wcp/ "The Wikipedia Correction Project (WCP)"]. On its face it sounds like any other old edit-a-thon geared towards correcting problems on Wikipedia, but it is actually a contest of sorts aimed at creating "Wikipedia-style page[s]" or "sections" that includes "information that is censored on Wikipedia" which will then likely be published "later this summer", presumably on sharylattkisson.com. As an example of submissions, the page lists two of these *ahem* alternative pages Attkisson has just published on her website: [https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/06/sharyl-attkisson-wikipedia-biography-page/ a bio of herself] (which she says she created because her Wikipedia bio "has been skewed by agenda editors to present false and biased information on select topics in an attempt to controversialize the topics or me", no specifics given) and [https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/06/rasmussen-reports-what-our-wikipedia-page-should-tell-you/ one] on the polling center [[Rasmussen Reports]]. Attkisson's website says she is "a nonpartisan Investigative Journalist who tries to give you information others don’t want you to have". 

For some background, Attkisson used to work for CBS News, winning some pretty important awards along the way, but left while fighting with the network over its coverage of how United States President [[Barack Obama]] and his administration handled the [[2012 Benghazi attack]]. Her current Wikipedia bio includes media criticism which suggests she favors conservative media outlets. She also asserted that [[vaccines and autism]] have a link (a thesis which the scientific community has rejected), and currently works for the totally-not-all biased in-any-way [[Sinclair Broadcast Group]]. It seems she takes issue with these things. Late last month she took her grievances [https://twitter.com/SharylAttkisson/status/1132849781913600000 to Twitter]. Her alternative bio is essentially a very dry read which includes little discussion of her actual work, mostly focusing on where she worked and for how long, her industry awards, and her personal life. Rasmussen Reports is an American polling company, which commonly takes polls on U.S. elections. Its Wikipedia article currently has a section entitled "Evaluations of accuracy and performance", which handles praise and criticism. The criticism section includes several comments from other journalists on the company's possible conservative bias and its failure to accurately predict the outcome of the 2018 U.S. Congressional "midterm" elections. The alternative article, apparently written by the company, includes a few paragraphs with what would probably count as promotional language on the supposed uniqueness of its questions and a direct challenge to its public criticism in what would be seen on Wikipedia as original research and argumentative essay-like material. 

Atkisson has made allegations of "agenda editors who control certain pages and topics" on Wikipedia ([https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/06/sharyl-attkisson-wikipedia-biography-page/ source]). She reiterates this on the WCP announcement page with a note at the bottom, which says "A nod to Wikipedia’s many terrific, hard working and well-meaning volunteer editors. They are simply outmatched, at times, by the powerful volunteer “agenda” editors often working on behalf of cloaked or paid interests." Of interest is [http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-dark-side-of-wikipedia this article] on Wikipedia's "dark side", published by ''Full Measure'', a website for the news show Atkisson hosts, which is syndicated by Sinclair. It is linked to on the WCP announcement page, as is an apparent link (which failed to open on my computer) where one can "Learn about a new online encyclopedia: Everipedia.org". Atkisson lists a series of "rules" for the WCP, one of which is "I retain all rights to make edits or not publish submitted material at all." That very comment is actually what aroused my interest in this subject, and makes it all seem Gobbler worthy. 

In conclusion, we have a prominent journalist—who's own reporting integrity is disputed—who claims that Wikipedia is often controlled by editors acting on an "agenda" in the favor of "cloaked or paid interests". She says this includes information being "censored" on Wikipedia. In return, she offers a pseudo-contest for alternatives, where she as an individual has final say over anything that is published (which just reeks of that transparency she so desperately sought from the U.S. government, no?). As examples of what a submission should look like she offers one article about herself which curiously excludes any and all things controversial about her (dare I say the word "censorship"?) and another which is an article about a company, written ''by that company'' (*cough* paid interest *cough*). And it all includes a little side plug to Everipedia, where you can literally pay to have your article protected. For her apparent lack of a sense of irony, I say we award Atkisson "Gobbler of the month". Turkey all around—I call the drumsticks. -[[User:Indy beetle|Indy beetle]] ([[User talk:Indy beetle|talk]]) 03:19, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
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