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===October 16===
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==== [[Template:MTV Europe Music Award for Best World Stage Performance]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete''' world stage.  Feel free to renominate the others.&nbsp;[[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 23:48, 9 November 2014 (UTC)<!-- Tfd top -->
:{{Tfd links|MTV Europe Music Award for Best World Stage Performance}}
:{{Tfd links|MTV Europe Music Award for Best Rock}}
:{{Tfd links|American Music Award for Favorite Alternative Artist of the Year}}
:{{Tfd links|Grammy Award for Best Hard Rock Performance of the Year (2000s)}}
:{{Tfd links|Grammy Award for Best Rap/Sung Collaboration of the Year (2000s)}}
:{{Tfd links|Best selling albums by year worldwide}}

Minor award templates which are not big enough to deserve one. Fails [[WP:NENAN]]. [[User:Earthh|Earthh]] ([[User talk:Earthh|talk]]) 20:08, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
:I agree for the world stage, but I think the rest awards deserve a separate template. [[User:Golu7276|<span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Curlz MT;color:orange;"><big><b>Mike:</b></big><span style="color:blue;">'''Golu'''</span></span>]] · <sup>[ [[User talk:Golu7276|<b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:green;">Confidential message</b>]] ]</sup> 06:01, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
* '''delete''' per nom. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 16:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:BBHM]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete''' as too unwieldy for a navigational template<!-- Tfd top --> [[User:Martijn Hoekstra|Martijn Hoekstra]] ([[User talk:Martijn Hoekstra|talk]]) 20:56, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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Its enormous length makes this template too unwieldy for navigation.  An alphabetical list of participants is already provided by [[:Category:Bigg Boss participants]]; if a series-by-series list is required as well then the template should be migrated to a standalone list.  (On the off chance that this template is kept, however, it really needs to be renamed to something more meaningful.) [[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] ([[User talk:Psychonaut|talk]]) 17:41, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' : All the participant of most popular & famous reality show of India, Bigg Boss, are notable celebrities. The template should be kept. --[[User:Jeeteshvaishya|Jeeteshvaishya]] ([[User talk:Jeeteshvaishya|talk]]) 07:30, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
**The notability of the articles linked to by the template is not at issue here.  The question is whether the template meets our project's template guidelines, [[WP:TG]] and  [[WP:NAVBOX]]. [[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] ([[User talk:Psychonaut|talk]]) 08:53, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' : A massive template that is nothing but fancruft. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a fanblog. [[User:Thomas.W|'''Thomas.W''']] [[User talk:Thomas.W|'''''<sup><small> talk</small></sup>''''']] 15:26, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''weak delete''', seems not significantly worse than [[template:Survivor (U.S. TV series) contestants]], but that one is questionable as well. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 19:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' : may be renamed to [[Template:Bigg Boss participants]].--[[User:MKar|Mrutyunjaya Kar]] ([[User talk:MKar|talk]]) 12:49, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete''': per nom. [[User:Chander|<span style="color:red;">'''Ch'''</span>]][[User_talk:Chander|<span style="color:green;">'''an'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Chander|<span style="color:blue;">'''de'''</span><span style="color:#00B7EB;">'''r'''</span>]] 12:17, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
*'''delete''' : length becoming too large  <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/101.60.172.164|101.60.172.164]] ([[User talk:101.60.172.164|talk]]) 15:42, 9 November 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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==== [[Template:University College Dublin A.F.C. squad]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''Delete'''.<!-- Tfd top --> [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 05:48, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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Two clickable links does not make this template anyway useful [[User:JMHamo|JMHamo]] ([[User talk:JMHamo|talk]]) 14:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' - does not navigate between sufficient notable bluelinks, therefore serves no purpose as a navbox. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 17:35, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''.  Not useful for navigation. —[[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] ([[User talk:Psychonaut|talk]]) 14:12, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Galway United F.C. squad]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''Delete'''.<!-- Tfd top --> [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 05:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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No clickable links does not make this template anyway useful [[User:JMHamo|JMHamo]] ([[User talk:JMHamo|talk]]) 14:45, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' - does not navigate between sufficient notable bluelinks, therefore serves no purpose as a navbox. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 17:35, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Not useful for navigation. —[[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] ([[User talk:Psychonaut|talk]]) 14:37, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Waterford United F.C. squad]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''Delete'''.<!-- Tfd top --> [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 05:36, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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Two clickable links does not make this template anyway useful [[User:JMHamo|JMHamo]] ([[User talk:JMHamo|talk]]) 14:40, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' - does not navigate between sufficient notable bluelinks, therefore serves no purpose as a navbox. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 17:36, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. Not useful for navigation. —[[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] ([[User talk:Psychonaut|talk]]) 14:38, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:Metal ratios]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''no consensus'''&nbsp;[[User:Plastikspork|Plastikspork]] [[User talk:Plastikspork|<sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ</sub><sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)</sup>]] 23:45, 9 November 2014 (UTC)<!-- Tfd top -->
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This is a very odd template indeed. I've never heard of these 'metallic means' before called such, and it seems there is no such article. There's [[silver ratio]] but that accounts for almost half the links (though you'd not know it as "silver ratio" appears nowhere). There's also Pell number which seems entirely unrelated and a bunch of red links.

The rest are all related via the [[golden ratio]] but not obviously related to each other except via it. There's no need for a navigation box as readers can navigate via that article. Finally there's a bunch of maths: numbers next to links, an implied series next to two links, and some expressions in boxes as an image. All that should be explained in articles not decorating a navigation box. <small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 08:52, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

:Are you saying it should be deleted because it has numbers? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 08:55, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
:When you say "There's silver ratio but that accounts for almost half the links (though you'd not know it as "silver ratio" appears nowhere)." Where does silver ratio account for almost half the links to or from and thus where does the term "silver ratio" not appear? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 09:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

* '''comment''' the reason for deletion is mostly as the things it lists aren't known as "metallic means". If you have a navigation box the membership criteria should be clear. E.g. {{tl|Winter Olympic sports}} lists all sports of the winter olympics. Someone seeing that box on a page will recognise what it means and why it's there. Not in this case. In particular in the fairly comprehensive [[Golden ratio]] does not mention it's a 'metallic mean' anywhere.
: The term 'silver ratio' does not appear - the link is abbreviated to it looks like it's linking to the metal. Ditto 'golden' and 'bronze'. 'almost half' is perhaps exaggerating but there are four links to the article which is three too many; there should be only one and it should use the article's name. Piped links/redirects which use a different name but that all go to the same article are confusing. Red links should not appear, nor should mathematical values, series and expressions.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 09:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

::A title which could be improved is not a reason for deletion, it is a reason to improve the title. The same with inappropriate links, they are not a reason to delete, they are a reason to improve. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 20:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

*'''Keep'''. [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 01:56, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[Metallic mean]]s to match the article, and keep or delete along with it. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">[[User:PC-XT|—PC]][[User talk:PC-XT|-XT]][[Special:Contribs/PC-XT|+]]</span> 23:31, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

*'''Delete.''' This template basically just collects (1) every mathematical concept that ought to be linked from [[golden ratio]], and all of them are linked from there already, and (2) the [[silver ratio]], which is also linked from [[golden ratio]] as a "see also." There is no realistic hope of ever expanding the contents of the template to include much more about the other [[metallic mean]]s, which although significant are of much narrower interest than <math>\phi</math> and <math>1+\sqrt{2}</math>. --[[User:Sammy1339|Sammy1339]] ([[User talk:Sammy1339|talk]]) 17:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
::Are you saying that templates can not include links to articles which are already linked to from other articles? [[User:Hyacinth|Hyacinth]] ([[User talk:Hyacinth|talk]]) 01:10, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
:::I am saying that templates on very limited topics which are completely redundant with the existing links from one article and have no hope of ever being expanded are useless clutter. --[[User:Sammy1339|Sammy1339]] ([[User talk:Sammy1339|talk]]) 01:32, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Navigation templates link related articles, but these are not related via [[metalic means]]. It has partly been tidied up but it still uses the wrong name for articles such as [[Golden ratio]], [[Silver ratio]] which it should never do as it confuses and misleads readers, making it harder to find articles they may be looking for. These seems to be an attempt to establish the relationship that's simply not there. Other names are confusingly shortended: "Rectangle" for example as it's unclear its the golden rectangle - even if someone knows there's a golden rectangle with sides in the ratio the golden ratio the golden ratio isn't mentioned. One article's linked twice, neither time with its proper name, it should only be linked once. And there's unexplained text which makes no sense (when you see ",..." in maths it means continue the series in the obvious/natural way but it's not at all obvious how to extend that sequence) and shouldn't be there.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small><sup>[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 02:10, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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