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== Sandbox  ==

Hi, May I know how can I find my sandbox? Thanks!&nbsp;[[User:NataliaNutella1226|NataliaNutella1226]] ([[User talk:NataliaNutella1226|talk]]) 01:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
: hi there, you may find it by pressing the sandbox button on the header, or by clicking this link: [[User:NataliaNutella1226/sandbox]]. happy editing! <span style="border:solid 1px; border-radius:8px; background:#dca3ff">&nbsp;[[User:Melecie|<span style="color:#7a0074">&nbsp;'''m'''elecie&nbsp;</span>]]&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Melecie|<span style="color:#7a0074">t</span>]] 01:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== how do you make templates. example :({Template|User's joke template}) ==

i need help  pls&nbsp;[[User:User492061268|User492061268]] ([[User talk:User492061268|talk]]) 04:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:User492061268|User492061268]]! Making [[WP:Template|templates]] is one of the more advanced things you can do on Wikipedia. What are you looking to make a template for? <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 04:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Citing sources when you are using Summary style ==

Hi, I have a question about the expectation for citing sources when you use a summary style [[WP:SUMMARY]]. 

The context is an article A, where there is a section with a brief mention of a topic (say in one or two paragraphs), but the "Main" template is placed in that section, to refer to an article B that has extensive content about that topic, and is fully referenced.  What is the expectation for citing sources in the summary content in article A ?  Provided that the statements written in article A are similar to those in article B, and are supported with citations in article B, is that sufficient ?

Here is one illustrative example: [[Methven,_New_Zealand#Irrigation_canal]]  In this case, article A is [[Methven, New Zealand]], and article B is [[Rangitata Diversion Race]]. Note: I am looking for feedback on the general approach, not specific comments on this example.  Thanks&nbsp;[[User:Marshelec|Marshelec]] ([[User talk:Marshelec|talk]]) 03:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:Marshelec|Marshelec]]! Generally, each article is expected to stand on its own, not require readers to click through in order to find references. So I would copy whatever reference(s) you need to Article A to support the summary. Cheers, <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 04:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Sports template errors ==

Hello

Im working to edit a sports league page. Im adding a new separate section with a league map.

In preview im getting these errors and im not sure how to fix them:

''Warning: orphaned results = col_S

Warning: orphaned results = text_S''

The layout isn't broken it looks exactly as i want it to but obviously i can't submit the page with such errors.

If needed i can post the full wiki code here. Im just not sure right now how best to do that.&nbsp;[[User:Americanu197|Americanu197]] ([[User talk:Americanu197|talk]]) 21:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
: Rather than posting the wikicode here, save it in your sandbox & give us a link. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 21:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Americanu197|Americanu197]] Welcome to Tea House! Normally I wouldn't say publish it, but if it looks fine, publish it and tag me with the article/template. I can have a look and show you afterwards what the issue was. It sounds like either some old parameters are unnecessarily added, or expecting to be completed with some value, but they're not breaking the template. Happy editing (and [[Fail-fast|breaking things]]!) ~ [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 21:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|Americanu197}} I assume that you're talking about [[User:Americanu197/sandbox]]?  I'm not an expert in the functioning of [[Module:Sports table]], but from similar questions in the past I think that the answer may be that those parameters aren't defined until the relegation play-offs have taken place.  You may get better advice from experts in that module, perhaps at [[Module talk:Sports table]]. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 08:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Unwanted action of the Citation bot ==

In a citation (No.28) in an article (Margaret Dovaston) that I edited, I added  Wikilinks to the names of artists (Fortunino Matania and Raymond Sheppard) mentioned in the citation. The bot removed (on 28 July 2021) what I considered the helpful Wikilinks. Was this reasonable?[[User:BFP1|BFP1]] ([[User talk:BFP1|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:BFP1|BFP1]] ([[User talk:BFP1|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|BFP1}} could you possibly link to the diff of the edit you did and the bot did? [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) ([[User:Blaze The Wolf/Stupid stuff I've done|Stupidity by me]]) 15:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

::Courtesy link [[Margaret Dovaston]]. The edit in question is [[Special:Diff/1035893279]] in which Citation bot removed some wikilinks, I guess because they were inside the title of a reference. I'm not sure if there's a specific guideline that disallows links in a reference title. [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 16:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

:::In [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking]] paragraph 1.2.3. there is an example of linking in a citation, although I do not know whether it can also apply to the reference title [[User:BFP1|BFP1]] ([[User talk:BFP1|talk]]) 17:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{ping|BFP1}} In {{tl|cite book}}, there's a parameter {{para|title-link}} for use when the book itself has a WP article. This leads me to believe that linking within the {{para|title}} field itself is not supported. Personally, I'm not a fan of linking within works' titles even in running text, as I think it's more distracting than the links are worth. If you absolutely want to include links, however, you could add "along with works by [[Fortunino Matania]] and [[Raymond Sheppard]]" to the end of the sentence that the citation sources. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 18:56, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

:::: In this example there's a simple remedy. If you think the reader will be sufficiently interested in Fortunino Matania and Raymond Sheppard to want to read their articles, when they've heard that Dovaston featured in a joint exhibition with them, then change the text of the article to mention them by name: "A few months before her death, her paintings were exhibted at Foyles Art Gallery in London alongside works by [[Fortunino Matania]] and [[Raymond Sheppard]]". You can reference this statement with the existing reference, which no longer needs the wiki-link that upset CitationBot. It's also more convenient for the reader. If you don't think the reader will be led astray to follow the links then you also don't need to mention Matania and Sheppard. Hope this helps! [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 18:46, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::As the timestamps indicate, Elemimele's edit was posted while I was still pondering the wording of mine with the edit window open. I don't know why this happens sometimes, but it's not the first time it has happened to me. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 18:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::: Sorry {{u|Deor}}, happens to me too! [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 19:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::Don't be sorry, [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]]. I just wanted to acknowledge your priority, since we made similar suggestions. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 19:38, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks {{ping|Deor}} and {{ping|Elemimele}}. I have added text as suggested. It might be useful to indicate in [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking]] that citation titles should not include links. [[User:BFP1|BFP1]] ([[User talk:BFP1|talk]]) 09:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== AFC is denied publication for third time - why? ==

Hi, my 'article for creation' keeps getting denied for publication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Make_a_Difference_Foundation

Why is this the case? I have added multiple independent secondary sources.

Thanks&nbsp;[[User:Comms 1 - MAD Foundation Inc.|Comms 1 - MAD Foundation Inc.]] ([[User talk:Comms 1 - MAD Foundation Inc.|talk]]) 04:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:I quote the template that has been attached three times: {{DarkRed|This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject}}. The draft does indeed have eleven references. Now, start by mentally whittling these eleven down to however many are from published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the Make a Difference Foundation. No need to list all of these here; instead, please just tell us the three among them that provide the most significant coverage. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 04:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Comms 1 - MAD Foundation Inc.}} Your username leads me to believe that you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]], which you must disclose on [[User:Comms 1 - MAD Foundation Inc.|your user page]].  Note that if your draft is accepted as an article, no one from your foundation will be allowed to directly edit it.  Instead, you'll be able to submit edit requests on the article talk page to request that independent editors make the changes for you.  Thanks!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 05:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::You have declared your COI on your User page (volunteer for MADF), which is good. Address the refs review Hoary requested. As written, after four Declined, refs are weak, and some sections have no references. Per GoingBatty, get as much into the draft as possible, because if it is ever accepted, you will no longer be able to edit directly. And last, accept that it is possible that the foundation does not meet Wikipedia's concept of notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Can I find an editor? ==

Can I find an editor to edit something on a semi-protected wikipedia?&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/188.24.219.130|188.24.219.130]] ([[User talk:188.24.219.130|talk]]) 10:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
: You can use [[Template:Edit semi-protected]] on the article's talkpage.  You'll find further advice at [[Wikipedia:Edit requests]].  - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 10:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ec}} Hello User with the [[IP adress]] 188.24.219.130, and welcome to the Teahouse. The easiest thing to do would be to leave a message at the [[WP:Talk pages|talk page]] of the article and add {{tlx|edit semi-protected}} (as it appears when '''viewing''' this page) to it. See [[WP:Edit requests]] for details. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 11:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== My submission has been declined more than 5 times ==

Hey there, My draft has been declining continuously, I have tried more than 10 times but it still showing "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. 
What does it means and please help me and resolve this issue as soon as possible?&nbsp;[[User:Pradhuman Barmera|Pradhuman Barmera]] ([[User talk:Pradhuman Barmera|talk]]) 07:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Pradhuman Barmera}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  Wikipedia [[WP:DEADLINE|has no deadlines]] so I'm wondering what the source of your urgency is?  A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:BIO|a notable person]]. Interviews with the subject, or any other materials put out by the subject themselves, do not establish notability.  We want to know what others say about him, not what he says about himself. Please see [[WP:YFA|Your First Article]] for more information. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:What it means is explained in its continuation: {{DarkRed|[The references] do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people).}} Do you not understand this? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 11:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::Courtesy [[Draft:Ramveer Tanwar]]. There are technical issues - the refs are not created in the text of the article, much of the content is not referenced, and Say Earth has a forbidden hyperlink in the article - but separate from that and more important, Mr. Tanwar's modest accomplishments do not reach Wikipedia's criteria for notability. This may just be [[WP:TOOSOON]].  [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

==Block editors==

Is there anyway to block editors who I have found to be quite rude and insulting? Cheers [[User:DragonofBatley|DragonofBatley]] ([[User talk:DragonofBatley|talk]]) 13:18, 11 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:DragonofBatley|DragonofBatley]] ([[User talk:DragonofBatley|talk]]) 13:18, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|DragonofBatley}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If there is a specific situation you are referencing it would help to know what it is to give you the best answer relevant to you.  Generally speaking, though, I can say that only administrators may block editors. If others are using personal attacks against you or otherwise being rude, it may be reported to [[WP:ANI]].  Be aware that your own behavior will be examined as well, not just those that you bring up. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:21, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|331dot}} thanks for your reply it is mostly down to a recent couple of disagreements in regards to [[Talk:Skegness]] and I felt two of the editors on the demographic discussion spoke out of line towards me. By making assumptions and one of them has had a slight few issues with me especially on matters such as [[Batley]], [[Dewsbury]], [[Heavy Woollen District]] and [[Halifax, West Yorkshire]] over using words like large, coined term and me criticizing the national comparison to towns like [[Skegness]] which uses present tense and clogs up the demographic section but despite opposing it. I was told I was both against it (which i was not) and for it not suiting me. I do admit when I was really drunk one night I made a very silly edit to the notable people section of Batley adding myself and then it getting reverted. I apologized but the editor who made the comment never responded and had a gripe with me since until the last discussion. I have asked them and another editor to not involve me in future conversations but I feel if I could block them. It would solve future chances of conflict with them. [[User:DragonofBatley|DragonofBatley]] ([[User talk:DragonofBatley|talk]]) 13:28, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
::I will be unavailable for a bit so I can't look at this carefully, but as I said only administrators can block editors. If you are disengaging from the situation that should resolve the issue. If you are contacted despite your wishes not to be, that can be reported. I might suggest that you not edit if you are drunk as you could be blocked if it becomes a problem.  [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:35, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
::Nah I will not it was one silly edit. I am mostly especially at Wiki:Geography quite hands on in discussions and many have cited my edits and articles as helpful and reliable. I will make sure Wiki is off when I am drunk :)  [[User:DragonofBatley|DragonofBatley]] ([[User talk:DragonofBatley|talk]]) 13:38, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
*{{re|DragonofBatley}} Having skimmed [[Talk:Skegness]], I fail to see who has been "quite rude and insulting" towards you. When party X comes here to complain about party Y, I usually ping party Y when giving an answer (many gripes are created from discussing someone’s motives etc. behind their backs when an open discussion would clear the air); but here, I am not even sure whom to ping.
:If I ''had'' to take a guess, I assume you took badly {{tq|It is you who need to take advice from editors like Noswall59 who have experience of writing good articles}}, but frankly, if ''that'' is enough to tick you off, you will find Wikipedia editing to be quite a stressful experience. I strongly advise against bringing such a frivolous complaint to ANI.
:What you ''can'' do is ask people to keep off ''your'' talk page ([[User talk:DragonofBatley]]). Such requests are supposed to be obeyed (except when the guidelines require you to leave a standardized notice etc. on someone’s page). However, they will not keep off talk pages of articles, or stop interacting with you, just because you want it, so I do not suppose it solves your "problem". An [[WP:IBAN|interaction ban]] needs admin/community approval and those are very rarely approved (the admins have to be convinced that X has acted entirely unreasonably, broke civility guidelines etc. towards user Y, and would do it again unless restrained, ''but'' it is due to a particular personality clash and X will act perfectly fine towards other users). [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)</span>]]</sup> 11:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Tigraan}} thank you for your reply and yeah I'll be honest that one line by Esemgee did actually offend me because he has as mentioned above an issue with me on Batley Dewsbury anything West Yorkshire related and to be honest I have found him quite rude and obnoxious in the sense they think I don't write good articles. His [[user talk: Esemgee]] page has much to be desired given in 2016 he called the [[list of places of worship in Leeds]] one of the worst pages on the encyclopedia. And also has a gripe with me over many edits and Noswall59 had gone on to make assumptions. It's a shame I can't block them like you could someone on Facebook because they are in my eyes far from [[civil]] towards me. Especially Esemgee but that's my own assumption. They've never contributed to anything positive to me but call me meaningless and useless in how they approach their edit summaries. Has good experience of writing good articles. Seriously can they be reasoned with or are they [[egotistical]]? That's not me attacking them in merely asking given this is an encyclopedia but they treat it like their own Facebook page.? [[User:DragonofBatley|DragonofBatley]] ([[User talk:DragonofBatley|talk]]) 11:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{re|DragonofBatley}} You have never contributed to anything positive on Wikipedia, and you are quite rude and obnoxious.
:::No, I do not really think that; I only copy-pasted what you just said about another editor. That was not pleasant to read, was it?
:::If you want complain about {{U|Esemgee}}’s conduct you can do so; go to [[WP:ANI]] and make sure to bring [[WP:DIFF|diffs]] of the problematic edits, not just vague assertions like the above. (Again, I advise against doing so, doubly so now that you have posted something that is clearly a violation of [[WP:NPA]] / [[WP:AGF]], and triply so if the best you can find is a 2016 dispute you were not a party to where they said something that is not even problematic.)
:::Otherwise, [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] of your fellow editors, and do not ascribe to them nefarious motives, even if such motives seem obvious to you. Try to "reason with them" even if you think it is futile, and be open to the possibility that ''they'' might be the ones convincing ''you'', however implausible it might seem at first. If, and only if, you can identify a clear behavioural problem with multiple diffs in breach of guidelines (or one diff ''extremely'' out of line), should you go the "legal" way. [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)</span>]]</sup> 08:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Tigraan}} I disagree with you on your above comment on nothing positive. Did you read back through all my old history? I've made articles and helped improve articles. Many editors have thanked me and so I have contributed positively to wiki so that there is your own assumption not factual. And in terms of rude yea I might be but so have other editors to me. So I'm bad for being rude okay. I'm obnoxious okay. I'm autistic and you've just called me all that. Thank you. I might heed your advise from you. Given I'm rude according to you. That's fine I haven't been looking for trouble but I've never called a list of places the worst list on an encyclopedia either. Editors clearly don't like me what more can i do? Nothing exactly because I call out a nasty remark and would like to be able to avoid seeing further contributions from them two but can't. Yet I can't write a good article and they can get away with saying that but If I say that and I'm deemed rude. It's okay? Wiki clearly hates me because I contribute and it's always seen as a bad thing. I'm not rude and obnoxious 🙄 but you clearly think I am so thank you for making a false assumption. You'd understand if you were in my position of feeling insulted and wanting to end it. But thank you for your help and insightful assumptions on me being a leech on wiki with being negative and vile {{Ping|Tigraan}}🐲 [[User:DragonofBatley|DragonofBatley]] ([[User talk:DragonofBatley|talk]]) 09:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::Please take this dispute to your talk page. Also, being autistic isn't an excuse for your behavior (I'm autistic as well, and yet I don't feel the need to have disputes with editors... or at least, not anymore). [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) ([[User:Blaze The Wolf/Stupid stuff I've done|Stupidity by me]]) 14:49, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Blaze the Wolf}} hi yeah I replied on my talkpage. Unfortunately we aren't all on the same spectrum or way of thinking. Some people with different spectrums handle things in different ways to others. Bit like Depression some drink some get help or some cope. We all are different and I have felt attacked by the said editors mentioned and briefly now by Tigraan. Who seemed willing to help but then ranted at me for being negative and rude unpositive etc but doesn't seem to see I created articles like [[Borough of Chesterfield]] [[Borough of Blackpool]] [[Borough of Middlesbrough]] [[Shropshire (district)]] [[Durham (district)]] [[Cromford and High Peak Railway]] station pages which were never made etc. Even the [[Leek and Manifold Valley Light Railway]] stations which were missing. Point is I'm far far from negative but I've been assumed to be rude and nothing positive when I've made a lot of articles for geography and railways. If anything I've helped enhance and contribute to Wikipedia maybe check my article contributions before assuming rudeness? Anyway I've said all I've got to say. Blaze I'll take your help when I've had my month off or hibernation 🐲 as I like to call it regards to all.

== Recent Edit Suggestions Ignored ==

I have declared my COI on my user page and submitted edits with references to the Dover Corporation Wikipedia Talk Page in the format that was requested by a Wikipedia editor. My most recent round of edits have not received a response. Again, I am only looking to update basic facts about Dover, the parent corporation of my company OPW. Please let me know how to proceed. I have been looking to get factual information updated for more than 3 months, and have made all the recommended adjustments. I would like to have a few details (including our financials) updated in the interest of presenting an accurate portrayal of Dover, a publicly traded company.

Please advise on my next steps.

Lisa Moloney, Global Communications Manager OPW, A Dover Company
[[User:LisaMoloney|LisaMoloney]] ([[User talk:LisaMoloney|talk]]) 13:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:LisaMoloney|LisaMoloney]] ([[User talk:LisaMoloney|talk]]) 13:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|LisaMoloney}} Please be patient, your requests will not be fulfilled instantly. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) ([[User:Blaze The Wolf/Stupid stuff I've done|Stupidity by me]]) 14:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::Your August 16 request appears to be in the queue. You could consider contacting [[User:Quetstar]] to learn if that person is going to continue to look at the request, as follow-up to your exchange of messages, or expects someone else to take up the task. I do see that you have properly declared your Paid relationship. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Please help... I messed up  ==

Please help... I am trying.  I thought I was doing everything correctly.   I see that I wasn't... I wasn't finished with the draft.  I only wanted to see what it looked like.  I was trying to pattern the article off of Stan Barnes the politician and Kenny G the Saxophonist. 

I am sorry if I messed up.  Can you please help me or point me in the direction of someone who can.

Everytime someone looks for me as an Artist on Wikipedia, they find the other Stan Barnes'.  

I don't know what to do.

Please help? and Please forgive me.

Stan&nbsp;[[User:Stan Barnes (Musician)|Stan Barnes (Musician)]] ([[User talk:Stan Barnes (Musician)|talk]]) 12:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
: You have received advice on your user talk page at [[User talk:Stan Barnes (Musician)]].  The words in blue are [[WP:wikilinks|wikilinks]] to further guidance.  The most important advice is not to try to write an [[WP:autobiography|autobiography]].  If at some stage you were to meet Wikipedia's definition of [[WP:notability|notability]], or specifically [[WP:NMUSIC]], then someone independent could write an article about you.  - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 12:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Stan Barnes (Musician)}} (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Don't feel too bad about things, anything can be fixed. I think that you confused creating an article with creating an account. You edited your user page, which is not article space, but a place for you to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. New users cannot directly create articles and must use [[WP:AFC|Articles for creation]] to create and submit a draft. 
:Wikipedia has no control over Google search results, and does not have articles solely for the purpose of influencing search results. As a musician, you would merit an article if you receive significant coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that have chosen on their own to write about you, showing how you meet Wikipedia's special definition of [[WP:BAND|a notable musician]]. Wikipedia is not interested in what people say about themselves, only in what others completely unconnected with them say. Autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged, please see the [[WP:AUTO|autobiography policy]]. If you meet the criteria, someone else will eventually take note of your career and choose to write about you. Be aware that a Wikipedia article is [[WP:PROUD| not necessarily desirable]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

[[User talk:Stan Barnes (Musician)]] I decided to see if there were newspaper articles about a musician named Stan Barnes and I was only able to find one, which I believe is about you: Firefighter’s other job saves lives through jazz, Detroit Free Press, November 11, 2007, page 4. (If you, or a friend, subscribes to newspapers.com, you can obtain a copy of this article, or it may be available from the Detroit Free Press.) Unfortunately Wikipedia wants at least three articles that gives in-depth coverage of a person (not just mentioning a person's name) to help establish that the person is considered notable. 

As [[User:331dot|331dot]] stated, Wikipedia discourages people from writing about themselves, but if you read all of "blue links" listed above, and you still want to try and write a neutral-worded article about yourself, (and if the article I found is about you,) than you would need two more articles that do not originate from you. No press releases, nothing that is quoting what your website says about you. If you haven't received much media coverage, then it is unlikely you'll be able to get a Wikipedia article published. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 16:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== How do you add the `See also` thingy to a page? ==

&nbsp;[[User:Otaku Anonymous|Otaku Anonymous]] ([[User talk:Otaku Anonymous|talk]]) 17:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
: Do you mean the [[Wikipedia:Hatnote|hatnote]]? Place '''<nowiki>{{See also|TOPIC PAGE|OTHER TOPIC PAGE}}</nowiki>''' right under the section header. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 17:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Article constantly vandalised  ==

The page [[The Kid Laroi]] is being constantly vandalised. Is there a way to protect the page some how?&nbsp;[[User:Grapepinky|Grapepinky]] ([[User talk:Grapepinky|talk]]) 17:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Grapepinky}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  If an article is habitually vandalized, you may request page protection at [[WP:RFPP]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 17:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Will be so thankful for answering ❤️&nbsp;[[User:Katerina Spravtseva|Katerina Spravtseva]] ([[User talk:Katerina Spravtseva|talk]]) 18:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)Katetina Spravtseva

:{{Ping|Katerina Spravtseva}} Your response makes me think you're possibly a sock of Grapepinky, however I will [[WP:AGF]] and assume you meant to ask a question. What was your question so I can add an appropriate header to separate your question from the above? [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 18:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Not sure which image public domain template to use ==

I recently found a document which I plan to use photos from for an article I am working on editing, specifically [[Flare#Fusee|Flare]], specifically photos from Chapter 5. [https://www.nwcg.gov/sites/default/files/publications/pms443.pdf The document] which I found the photos in says it is in the public domain (at the bottom of the document), yet it doesn't match up with any of the public domain file copyright tags that I have looked through. The document specifically says the following:

"Publications and training materials produced by NWCG are in the public domain. Use of public
domain information, including copying, is permitted. Use of NWCG information within another
document is permitted if NWCG information is accurately credited to NWCG. The NWCG logo
may not be used except on NWCG authorized information. “National Wildfire Coordinating
Group,” “NWCG,” and the NWCG logo are trademarks of NWCG."

I was wondering if anyone knows which copyright tag it matches up with and possibly if the photo is or isn't permitted to be uploaded to Wikipedia. Thank You So Much!

Sincerely,
Rafaelmanman&nbsp;[[User:Rafaelmanman|Rafaelmanman]] ([[User talk:Rafaelmanman|talk]]) 22:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

:This is indeed rather bizarre. {{DarkRed|Publications and training materials produced by NWCG are in the public domain}}. If this is the public domain in the legal sense of this term (at least as I understand it), then NWCG has waived all its standard rights to it and therefore may not say, for example, {{DarkRed|Use of NWCG information within another document is permitted if NWCG information is accurately credited to NWCG.}} If you upload this material, you should upload it to Commons, not here; and if before uploading it you ask about it at [[:commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright]], as you should, you're likely to get expert advice. So I suggest that you ask there. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 00:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::Since they have a .gov address I would assume they're PD-USGov (Anything produced by the federal government of the United States or an agency thereof is public domain by law).  —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Jéské Couriano]]</small></sup> 02:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Well, for starters, [[:commons:Template:PD-USGov/doc|we're told]] that "[PD-USGov] should not be used if the department or part of the federal government which produced the work is known". Again, I recommend that, if they're not related to "fair use", questions about image copyright are better asked at [[:commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you all for the ideas. I will make sure to ask in wikipedia commons. [[User:Rafaelmanman|Rafaelmanman]] ([[User talk:Rafaelmanman|talk]]) 20:39, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Clarification on what is a personal attack ==

Hey! So a user (not stating who specifically) asked that me and another user be banned on a talk page without assuming good faith for a reason that I"m not really able to discuss here without going into to much detail. If you would like me to link to the talk page where this is going on I can. But I have to ask, would this be considered a personal attack?&nbsp;[[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 20:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{reply|Blaze The Wolf}} Without knowing the details, [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:CIVIL]] are the relevant policies. Generally, any comment you make about another editor is potentially a personal attack. Restrict your comments to article content. I am not sure what else to say. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 20:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::Looking at [[Talk:Bomberman]] which is where this appears to have occurred, no I don't think it's a personal attack but failure to follow [[WP:AGF]] due to one editor's frustration. No administrator would take it seriously. I don't like the instability the page has experienced, however. If that continues it can be protected until the content dispute is resolved. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 20:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Alright. Thanks! I was a bit confused when the editor asked that I be banned when all I had done was tell them not to copy and paste the same edit summary because it can cause confusion as to what the edit was for. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 20:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC) 
::::@{{u|Blaze The Wolf}}, What constitutes a personal attack is covered under [[WP:NPA|NPA]]. As for the topic on banning of posting on TP's, ''(Assuming it’s their own tp)''whilst no policy mandates you to oblige their request, it is behoove of any responsible editor to oblige this request. If you think they are making problematic edits, warn them and if they tell you not to post on their talk page, please do just that, if it is your belief that their edits pose a threat to the collaborative project, you can file an official report to draw attention to this. '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 21:50, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::Alright thanks! [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 21:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Profile pics of Infobox musical artist ==

I used the Infobox musical artist to get summary description about my client. I want to know how i can add a profile pic on Infobox musical artist template.

Regards,

Charles Hubbard&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/197.215.23.124|197.215.23.124]] ([[User talk:197.215.23.124|talk]]) 07:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:This is the only edit from this IP, so I cannot determine which article this refers to. '''However''', ''if you recive or, expect to recive, compensation for your edits'', this MUST be disclosed. See [[WP:PAID]] for more info (this is easier when using a named account - IP's can change). This is a [[:foundation:Terms of Use|Terms of Use]] requirement and not negotiable. In addition, Wikipedia has no profiles (thats a social media term, but we [[WP:NOTSOCIAL|aren't social media]], but [[Encyclopedia|encyclopedic]] '''articles''', mainly based on what people unconnected with a subject have written about a subject in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. [[WP:OWN|Nobody owns an article here]]. With regards to images, for living people Wikipedia only accepts [[:c:COM:L |freely licensed images]]. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 08:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:See also [[WP:Donating copyrighted materials]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 01:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== pages that need help ==

Where do I go to find pages that need helping and editing like adding citations?&nbsp;[[User:The Tips of Apmh|The Tips of Apmh]] ([[User talk:The Tips of Apmh|talk]]) 02:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|The Tips of Apmh}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  For articles that need citations, see [[:Category:All articles lacking sources]].  Happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Inserting links bug? Not working as it should be for me, please help. ==

Hello, i'm trying to insert links so that when you click a word that I put, it goes to the relative url. I have tried to do this using the insert link feature that can be seen when editing, and I filled out the 2 boxes appropriately with the url and text to be displayed, on mobile and desktop, but it's not working at all for me. Please tell me the way that you do this. Thank you&nbsp;- [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Gray;">'''Falcon'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 06:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|Speedcuber1}} I'm not sure why that's not working for you. You could also type out link syntax directly in source editing mode. For example, typing <code><nowiki>[[train]]</nowiki></code> will render as [[train]], while <code><nowiki>[[train|choo-choo train]]</nowiki></code> will render as [[train|choo-choo train]]. More details can be found at [[H:WIKILINK]]. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 06:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Ganbaruby}} I found the help article on interwiki linking, and subsequently learnt how to do these links. I'm not sure why the insert link feature doesn't work though on the editing toolbar. Anyway, thanks for your help. - [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Gray;">'''Falcon'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 06:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== who is editing my changes ==

&nbsp;[[User:Ayansharma214sar|Ayansharma214sar]] ([[User talk:Ayansharma214sar|talk]]) 05:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Ayansharma214sar}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  At the top of every page is a tab labeled "View history".  If you click on this tab, you can see everyone who edited a page and when.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 05:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Ayansharma214sar}} hello, as I have mentioned on your talk page, your edits are mainly unsourced, and all of your big edits are unsourced. Information on articles needs to be cited with sources and references. Your edits are being reverted as they aren't cited with sources. Your edits could in a way be classed as disruptive, if you continue to add big, unsourced edits to articles. - [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Gray;">'''Falcon'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 05:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::Per your Contributions list and Talk page, all but one of your changes have been reverted, by many editors, and you have been blocked for one week as a 'cooling off' period. The reverts were because you were adding too many images and because your text changes never had references. All content needs to be verified by references. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Help with publishing ==

Hello, I am having a difficult time with my submission and it takes quite a bit more time to research than I have available. I was approached through email by someone who offered to create the page and accept payment after it has been approved. I am interested in doing this but having trouble confirming legitimacy. Also, once the page has been approved I was informed by another contact that it will need to be monitored for 3-4 months? Thank you for your time. [[User:AmyLawton|AmyLawton]] ([[User talk:AmyLawton|talk]]) 16:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:AmyLawton|AmyLawton]] ([[User talk:AmyLawton|talk]]) 16:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|AmyLawton}} If you have been paid to make the article please make sure to see [[WP:PAID]]. If you are having trouble confirming legitimacy do not accept the payment as it is most likely a scam. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 16:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::Offers to create articles for payment are often scams. These people may create articles without going through the review process, and then are unresponsive (no refund) when a fatally flawed article is deleted by the New Pages Patrol. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Appears your draft about Marc Rothenberg was deleted for six months of inactivity. You can request an undeletion via [[Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/G13]] or just start over. Modeling a draft on existing articles is useful but not a guarantee of success, as many (mostly older) articles exist that to not meet current standards for biographies of living people. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|David notMD}} Thank you for the reply. [[Special:Contributions/205.142.197.33|205.142.197.33]] ([[User talk:205.142.197.33|talk]]) 14:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== COI header on page ==

Hello, is it possible to get a conflict of interest banner removed from a page? I have been very up front about my conflict of interest and am keen to work with editors to make any adjustments needed to get this tag removed.&nbsp;GlobalEducation 13:37, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|GlobalEducation}} The banner is there to inform editors of those who might have a Conflict of Interest with the page. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 13:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|GlobalEducation}}, I see that you're employed by Cognita. By editing the [[Cognita]] article yourself, you're helping to ensure that the CoI banner remains in place. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 14:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC) 
::{{u|GlobalEducation}}, hello there and welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to what {{u|Maproom}} correctly told you, look, you shouldn’t even be actively editing an article you have a COI with. Rather, it is good practice to suggest the edits in the talk page of the article. '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 14:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Howard Sandroff ==

Friends,
I have been trying for years to encourage someone to correct/expand/update the biorgraphical article about me as it is very poor and out of date.  No one has responded t my numerous requests/begging.  the original article appeared in the German Wikipedia, the current english version is a machine translation, and includes incorrect information about me, my work and just about everything else.  Also, much has changed.

I'd be happy to help create a better article if only I can find a Wikipedia editor to work on the article.  I have been making these requests every few years for over a decade and no one seems interested,  HELP!!!!&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2601:246:102:E000:1998:D6F9:3703:1B6E|2601:246:102:E000:1998:D6F9:3703:1B6E]] ([[User talk:2601:246:102:E000:1998:D6F9:3703:1B6E|talk]]) 14:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:This is about [[Howard Sandroff]]. IP user also known as {{u|Hwdsndf}}, if you write at the article's talk page (something I see you've done before) giving details of the changes you'd like made, preferably with references, it's likely that someone will respond. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 14:49, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hello {{u|Hwdsndf}}, you are currently logged out and didn't include a link to the article [[Howard Sandroff]] in mind. I see you've made general requests in 2017 and 2020, and would encourage you to make specific {{tl|Edit request}}'s including with supporting links. You mentioned retiring for example, but provided no sources, which means extra work for any volunteer editor. I appreciate your respect of [[WP:COI]] and encourage you to make specific edit requests at the [[Talk:Howard Sandroff|Talk page]]. ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 14:49, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== my bio ==

I wanted to write a page about my non profit to help women get breast reconstruction. BRAVEcoalition.org is the name of the charity and the website. Is this acceptable? Christine&nbsp;[[User:Groganchris|Groganchris]] ([[User talk:Groganchris|talk]]) 14:35, 15 September 2021 (UTC) 
:@{{u|Groganchris}}, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. unfortunately no, it’s a noble cause no doubt, but if you do that (creating that article) you’d be using Wikipedia for purposes it isn’t intended for. See [[WP:NOT]] and violating other policies. However you may go to [[WP:RA]] and include the name of your organization there. If you want a more lengthy in-depth explanation indicate and I would expatiate. '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 15:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Thank you @GoingBatty!!  ==

I couldn't find my original question to send a thank you so am doing it this way instead...hope it's ok. Thank you @GoingBatty and another very helpful host who helped me fix my first article. I'm sorry I can't find the second person's username. Your push for more independent sources made me find a NY Times article! =) I removed unnecessary adjectives and if I must say so myself, it's a pretty darn neutral piece that is well cited. ;) THANKS for being willing to answer the same questions over and over again from all of us newbies! I hope to be able to pay it forward in the Wiki space one day. [[User:Iedit4life|Iedit4life]] ([[User talk:Iedit4life|talk]]) 23:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Iedit4life|Iedit4life]] ([[User talk:Iedit4life|talk]]) 23:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
: Tagging {{ping|GoingBatty}} [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 16:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== The English link to Cao E is redirected to the Dragonboatfestival ==

Dear editors, I have written a Dutch page about Cao E and try to connect that page with the English Cao E page, but the English Cao E page is a redirection to the Dragonboadfestival. For that reason I can not link those two and like to ask help on this. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Arno&nbsp;[[User:Arno Jacobs|Arno Jacobs]] ([[User talk:Arno Jacobs|talk]]) 07:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Arno Jacobs|Arno Jacobs]] Welcome to the Teahouse. It would have helped if you had provided links to the relevant pages. In particular, where is the  English page on Cao E that you refer to? Until there is a draft page ‘’in English’’ about Cae E that’s ready to be made a full article, there can’t be a direct link to it from Dutch Wikipedia. However you may immediately link ‘’to’’ the Dutch article from [[Dragon Boat Festival]] by using an inter language wiki link. See [[WP:ILL]] for how to deploy it. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 08:00, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::Dear Nick, thank for your reaction. I will try to use the inter wiki link in my first attempt, there is not a Cao E page in English, only the Dragon Boat Festival link to Cao E. Kind regards, Arno [[User:Arno Jacobs|Arno Jacobs]] ([[User talk:Arno Jacobs|talk]]) 08:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Unfortunate the inter wiki link is deleted very fast by another editor, back to start. Another page of Cao E in English is not possible because of the redirection connection. I do not understand how this works, I am a beginner since a few month. [[User:Arno Jacobs|Arno Jacobs]] ([[User talk:Arno Jacobs|talk]]) 09:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::: The editor who responded to your edit included an appropriate link using the {{tl|ill}} template, as described at [[WP:ILL]].  - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 09:30, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::Thanks [[User:Arno Jacobs|Arno Jacobs]] ([[User talk:Arno Jacobs|talk]]) 16:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Some links and explanations: on the English Wikipedia, there's {{noredir|Cao E}}, which redirects to [[Dragon Boat Festival#Cao E]]. On the Dutch Wikipedia, there's [[:nl:Cao E]] and [[:nl:Drakenbootfeest]]. The Dutch Drakenbootfeest and the English Dragon Boat Festival pages are linked through [[d:Q1254268]] on Wikidata. Cao E is [[d:Q11091010]], with links to the Korean and Chinese Wikipedias. It's not possible to add a link there to {{noredir|Cao E}}, because it's a redirect. {{re|Arno Jacobs}}, if you want to translate the Dutch article to English, your best option is to go through the [[WP:AFC|Articles for creation]] process to create [[Draft:Cao E]]. Hope this helps! --[[User:Rchard2scout|rchard2scout]] ([[User talk:Rchard2scout|talk]]) 12:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:This explanes a lot. Thank you very much for your complete reaction, I know what to do. Kind regards, [[User:Arno Jacobs|Arno Jacobs]] ([[User talk:Arno Jacobs|talk]]) 12:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Arno Jacobs}} Wikidata cannot be used to link to redirects. I don't know the policies of the Dutch Wikipedia but if you add <code><nowiki>[[en:Cao E]]</nowiki></code> to the end of [[:nl:Cao E]] then it makes a link under languages to the English redirect [[Cao E]]. I guess this is what you want. If you want to turn the redirect into an article then see [[Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:37, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Thanks [[User:Arno Jacobs|Arno Jacobs]] ([[User talk:Arno Jacobs|talk]]) 16:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:Thank you very much, it is worth to give it a try. Kind regards [[User:Arno Jacobs|Arno Jacobs]] ([[User talk:Arno Jacobs|talk]]) 16:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== bts ==

&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/123.201.174.151|123.201.174.151]] ([[User talk:123.201.174.151|talk]]) 05:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hello 123.201, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? — [[User:Berrely|<span style="color:#000">'''''Berrely'''''</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Berrely|<sup>Talk</sup>]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|<sub>Contribs</sub>]] 06:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::What do you mean? The questions right there.
* B oy
* T hat
* S tupid fair-use criteria
::[[User:Panini!|<span style="color:#F40">Panini!</span>]][[User talk:Panini!|<sup><span style="color:#1303fc">🥪</span></sup>]] 12:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:My guess would be they have a question about the Korean boy-band [[BTS]], but I could be wrong. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 17:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Help! ==

Can any Wikipedian who has access to JSTOR, help me to access [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2625783 this]? <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif">'''[[User:Peter Ormond|<span style="color:#113680"> Peter Ormond </span>]][[User talk:Peter Ormond|<span style="background:#d9cc6c; color:white; padding:2px;">&#128172;</span>]]'''</span> 15:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

: I have access. What is it exactly you would like? Please continue on my Talk Page...  [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::@[[User:Peter Ormond|Peter Ormond]], in the future I'd recommend the [[WP:REX|resource exchange]] instead for such matters, as the dedicated forum :) — [[User:Berrely|<span style="color:#000">'''''Berrely'''''</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Berrely|<sup>Talk</sup>]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|<sub>Contribs</sub>]] 16:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::This may seem a bit odd but what's JSTOR? [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 17:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Blaze The Wolf}}  See Wikipedia's article about [[JSTOR]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::[[JSTOR]]. See also [[WP:LIBRARY]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 17:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::::Oh ok! Thanks! [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 17:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your help! <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif">'''[[User:Peter Ormond|<span style="color:#113680"> Peter Ormond </span>]][[User talk:Peter Ormond|<span style="background:#d9cc6c; color:white; padding:2px;">&#128172;</span>]]'''</span> 16:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Reliability of Joystiq  ==

Is [[Joystiq]] a reliable source that can be used to establish notability? The few mentions it's had at [[WP:RSN]] seem mixed and a decade old. It appears the webstite was replaced by [[Engadget]], which is listed at [[WP:RSP]] as generally reliable. However, the Wikipedia page describes [[Joystiq]] as a blog so it seems like [[WP:BLOG]] would be relevant.&nbsp;[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 18:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:Per [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources]], it looks like it's considered generally reliable. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 18:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Edit on Syed Sharfuddin Sharaf Al Hussaini ==

Who are you? What's your real name and where did you find the information regarding the article Syed Sharfuddin Sharaf Al Hussaini?&nbsp;[[User:Rafida03|Rafida03]] ([[User talk:Rafida03|talk]]) 13:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Rafida03}} You can see who has edited an article by clicking the "view history" tab at the top of the page. No one is obligated to give you their real name though. [[User:PrincessPersnickety|<span style="color: purple">'''Princess Persnickety'''</span>]] [[User talk:PrincessPersnickety|<span style="color: darkblue">(talk)</span>]] 13:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

::I see that at [[Syed Sharfuddin Sharf Al Hussaini]], his dates of birth and death are shown as "1960-1878", though the source has "1878-1960". I guess that this is because the Urdu-language template has somehow exceeded its range of action. I don't know how to fix it. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 14:18, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::I've fixed it, by reversing the dates in the source. I don't like that as a solution, as it will confuse subsequent editors. There must be a bug in the way the Urdu template is working, and fixing the bug must be better than playing along with it. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 14:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::::I don't think it is related to the templates since it's outside the template, but inside parenthesis. Seems like a broader wikimarkup/html bug. See [[:Meta:RTL]] for insights on how Right to Left languages are handled. ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 14:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::Don't use the wrong order in the source. Numbers can both be part of left-to-right and right-to-left text so if there are numbers right after text in a right-to-left script then software has to guess whether they are part of the right-to-left text. It wasn't a bug but just a wrong guess which would have been right in other circumstances. I have fixed the order and inserted a [[left-to-right mark]] to avoid guessing.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syed_Sharfuddin_Sharf_Al_Hussaini&diff=1044527708&oldid=1044491872] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::<small>The birth and death dates being 1960-1878 makes me think that they died before they were born or they were born and then went back in time and died.</small> [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 17:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Soup Kitchens ==

&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/198.29.53.122|198.29.53.122]] ([[User talk:198.29.53.122|talk]]) 15:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:Greetings, and welcome to the Teahouse.  Did you have a question about editing Wikipedia?  --[[User:Finngall|<b style="color: green;">Finngall</b>]] [[User Talk:Finngall|<sup style="color: #D4A017;">talk</sup>]] 16:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:Please avoid making "troll" comments on the teahouse as it subtracts time from volunteers. <sub>Signed,</sub>'''''[[User:Pichemist|Pichemist]]'' <sup>([[User talk:Benjamin Borg|Talk]])</sup>''' 19:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== I designed ALBUM COVER: DAVID BOWIE-YOUNG AMERICANS ==

When I tried to add a Cover and lettering design credit, it was removed and I was told it was not helpful. I DESERVE CREDIT FOR MY WORK.
Craig DeCamps&nbsp;[[User:Craig DeCamps|Craig DeCamps]] ([[User talk:Craig DeCamps|talk]]) 21:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Craig DeCamps}} Hello Craig! You will have to provide a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for the cover and lettering credit, otherwise it won't be added. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 21:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::Also see [[WP:COI]] because you clearly have a conflict of interest. Avoid writing about yourself on Wikipedia. Suggest a change on the talk page, with appropriate citations to reliable published sources. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 22:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:::[https://en.apoplife.nl/david-bowie-changes-course-towards-plastic-soul-young-americans/ Here] is a source that says thst Craig DeCamps designed the album cover. I also posted it at [[Talk: Young Americans]]. 23:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Craig DeCamps}} In the Artwork section, I used the ref Cullen328 provided to credit DeCamps for the design. The ref did not specify lettering, so that not added. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:Please don't [[WP:SHOUT]].&nbsp;&#8213;&nbsp;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 18:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::<small>I wouldn't really say that they were shouting, simply trying to make the album cover stand out by using all caps which is sometimes used when bold or italics can't be used (meaning the user probably wasn't aware that they could make text '''bold''' or ''italicized''.</small> [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 19:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{smalldiv|1=@[[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf]] {{tq|I DESERVE CREDIT FOR MY WORK}} is definetly shouting.&nbsp;&#8213;&nbsp;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 19:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)}}
::::<small>Oop didn't notice that part. Good point.</small> [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 19:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== How do I see online admins / recent edits by admins? ==

Is there a way to see online admins so you can ask one of them for attention? For example if you could see recent edits by admins? Also I'm kind of aware of being able to ping an admin, would this work too?&nbsp;- [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Falcon'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 19:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Speedcuber1}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of any way to specifically monitor the regular edits of all administrators. You can monitor the various logs for certain administrator actions, like deleting pages or blocks. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber1]] Afaik, no, except you can of course ping an admin. You can see an admins edits  in ther edit-history [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Speedcuber1] like everyone else. [[Template:Admin help]] may be of interest. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 19:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:[https://apersonbot.toolforge.org/recently-active/?admins This tool] lists admins who have recently edited (but please note the disclaimer that they may not be available to assist immediately). [[User:DanCherek|DanCherek]] ([[User talk:DanCherek|talk]]) 19:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== In-Line Citations / Reference Assistance ==

Hi, this is my first time writing a wikipedia article. I had submitted my draft and it had gotten flagged for citation reasons. Can someone help me understand wiki speak? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Zach_Howard&nbsp;[[User:Sr-sammy|Sr-sammy]] ([[User talk:Sr-sammy|talk]]) 19:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Sr-sammy}} The Personal life, Career and Awards sections have no refs. You also have hyperlinks in the article, which is a no-no. There are more problems, but that's a start.  [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 19:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Sr-sammy}} [https://www.oswego.edu/news/story/living-writers-series-returns-variety-guests Here is a source] that may be useful for those sections, and some of his recent notoriety seems to surround the Hellboy franchise, so a source like [https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/dark-horse-comics-hellboy-the-return-of-effie-kolb-part-2 this] could potentially be included. Or more articles about The Cape franchise with more than a passing mention. It may be too soon for an article, but personally I think it will be fine with a few more reliable sources. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 19:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

==User subpages==
How do I make a user subpage? I've already made my user page, and I want to make a subpage. [[:User:JulieMinkai|<span style="color: purple; text-decoration: inherit; -moz-text-decoration-color: purple; text-decoration-color: purple;">Minkai</span>]] ([[User talk:JulieMinkai|talk to me]]) 18:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|JulieMinkai}} You can do it in multiple ways. The first way you can do so is by creating a wikilink to the name of the subpage you want to create which will be a red link (for example: [[User:JulieMinkai/Example]]) and then clicking on that red link, which will take you the the page where you can create it. The second way (that I know of) to do it is by entering it directly into the URL. So for example, you would change the url from <code>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JulieMinkai</code> to <code>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JulieMinkai/Example</code>. Make sure the subpage you're creating doesn't violate any of Wikipedia's policies first though. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 18:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::You can also type the full name (eg <code>User:JulieMinkai/Example</code> into the search box, and it will offer you the option of creating it, {{U|JulieMinkai}}. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== licensed ==

Can someone come and help with the discussion on [[Talk:List of longest-running video game franchises]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/92.236.253.249|92.236.253.249]] ([[User talk:92.236.253.249|talk]]) 19:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
: Which of the several discussions on that page do you want help with and what help are you asking for?  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 19:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Sports series [[Special:Contributions/92.236.253.249|92.236.253.249]] ([[User talk:92.236.253.249|talk]]) 20:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== banned ==

I was banned

Hi, I am the pro of an organization, every time I try to rewrite  wrong facts listed on a page in our name it gets taken down and I have been banned? what am I doing wrong, everything I try to change- fort he better on this site gets removed? I really am confused? tates also I am involved so have a conflict of interest, why would I be posting things on to pages I have no interest in ? or connection to ?&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/109.79.122.197|109.79.122.197]] ([[User talk:109.79.122.197|talk]]) 19:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hello IP! Please do not make any more edits if you have been banned as it is seen as [[WP:BANEVASION]]. Also please make sure to take a look at [[WP:COI]] as it appears you have a conflict of interest with the page. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 19:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::Also, I might as well clarify since you seem confused. The reason you have a conflict of interest is because you are related to the company's article you are trying to edit due to being the Pro (Professor? Professional?) of the organization. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 19:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
*(ec) If you are blocked(I suspect you mean that, a "ban" is different), you must return to your original account and request unblock per the instructions on your user talk page. We can address this there. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:And just to add a response to the question {{tq|why would I be posting things on to pages I have no ... connection to ?}}, because that's how Wikipedia is written. Who do you think writes all the articles you read on this website? Amateurs with enthusiasm for but no professional connection to the topics they're writing about (including the people who are replying to your question and blocking you for not reading or following our rules). — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 21:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Donating to Wikipedia ==

Love Wikipedia and I donate when I can but when I donate suddenly I feel like I am such a wiki abuser for not donating more! All of the warnings in red about not donating! I am on a fixed income and while I wish I could give more, I just cant. I've donated 1 time this year about 2 months ago. You should set a cookie to people who donate that will eliminate all the red warnings.&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/97.121.165.108|97.121.165.108]] ([[User talk:97.121.165.108|talk]]) 19:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hello IP! I'm not sure what red warnings you're talking about. Could you provide us with an example? [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 19:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:We sort of have that, what you do is that you [[WP:REGISTER]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 19:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::You seem to know what the red warnings are. Could you give me an example of what that would look like just in case a question like this pops up in the future? I've never donated once in my entire time of being on Wikipedia and have never seen these so called "red warnings". [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 19:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf]] You can see some examples at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2021-06-27/Forum]]. I'm unaware of any going on right now. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 19:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::::Ohhh! I've seen those. I didn't exactly know what the IP meant by red warning. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 19:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:(ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has no way to know if the person sitting at your computer or holding your device at any given moment has donated or not, and also has no way to know the financial means of that person. If you create an account, you can disable the donation requests. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::Hello. The Wikimedia Foundation brings in about US$125 million a year, and has assets over US$180 million. If you are on a fixed income, please feel no obligation to donate. This encyclopedia is free and there is no financial crisis. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 20:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Agreed. Some editors (me!) would support the elimination of these banners together. We do not want people to donate more than they can afford, and I would much rather you donate your labour by helping to improve articles (we're the encyclopedia ''that anyone can edit'')—but again, only if you're able to. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 21:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== The style of the CSS ==

What happended from learning CSS style? '''Answer: This user is learning practice from [https://www.w3schools.com W3Schools] [[HTML]], [[CSS]], [[JavaScript|JS]].'''&nbsp;[[User:GarlicChill|<span style="color: darkgray;">'''Garlic'''</span><span style="color: dodgerblue;">'''''Chill'''''</span>]] [[User talk:GarlicChill|<span style="color: black;">Deal it!</span>]] 21:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Andrew Parker (biblicist)  ==

Hi!
I am trying to do this page here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Parker_(biblicist) and i would dearly love some help please. A flag has been put on it because the article was missing some references. It was missing the references because i didn't realise i had to cite the references in the body of the article as well as in the list of publications. In addition, i had used some external links. I have now fixed these problems but i can't see how i remove the flag / template. Please will someone advise or remove the flag / template for me. Very many thanks for your help.
julie&nbsp;[[User:Jmmansfield|Jmmansfield]] ([[User talk:Jmmansfield|talk]]) 22:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
: I removed the tag. I see no remaining external links in the body. For future reference, you can remove a tag when appropriate to do so by deleting it from the page source at the very top. In this case, it would like this: '''<noWiki>{{cleanup|date=September 2021|reason=External links in the body of the article.}}</noWiki>''' and you can see in the page history where it was located. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 22:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Question by Phildoug == 
[[User:Phildoug|Phildoug]] ([[User talk:Phildoug|talk]]) 07:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)Search offers wrong title
There is an article (The Graham F Smith Peace Foundation) I am interested in. When I search for it in the 'Search Wikipedia' box top right on any page except the opening page, the autofill offers 'The Graham F Smith Peace  Trust', and then directs me to the page I wanted. This works, but it does not look good for that charity, or indeed for Wikipedia. When I search from the opening Wikipedia page, with a search box in the centre, that does not give the same error, the right article title is offered, and the right article is found.
I have submitted this question as a 'Question', and put it into the Sandbox. These were not the appropriate locations, it seems. I hope that this is...

[[User:Phildoug|Phildoug]] ([[User talk:Phildoug|talk]]) 07:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Phildoug|Phildoug]] ([[User talk:Phildoug|talk]]) 07:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{U|Phildoug}}, it's enough to sign just once, at the end of a message. [[The Graham F. Smith Peace Foundation]] is a strangely titled article. (Why the "The"?) It's the target of redirects from [[Graham F Smith Peace Trust]] and [[Arts Peace Trust]]. How does this "not look good for that charity, or indeed for Wikipedia"? Now, what certainly does not look good is that the article, however titled, has no independent references whatever. It's an old article, created when we were sloppy and lazy. It risks being deleted. Can I interest you in providing its content with [[WP:RS|reliable, independent, published sources]]? After all, the content of any article [[WP:V|must all be verifiable]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Phildoug}}, the article is titled [[The Graham F. Smith Peace Foundation]], with a period after the F. When I search for "The Graham F Smith Peace Foundation", with no period, Wikipedia fails to find an article with that name, and I get offered a list of candidate articles, including [[Billy Graham]]. I suggest that you create a redirect from the "F" version of the name to the "F." version; or if you don't know how, ask here and someone else will do it. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 09:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to those who have offered help to me, this is a problem that confuses me. To Anwser your suggestions:
I hope to edit the article to improve it in the way you suggest.
The article has a title which relates to the name of a charity. It is not for me to question why the 'The'. 
In searching for an article of interest, people often do not remember precisely the title. This is why the autofill function of the search box is so useful -- it allows someone to experiment with key words that they might remember, and see what is offered, and how that relates to their recollection of the title. So if 'graham f s' is put in (or graham f smith', &c) then the autofill offers an article with the title ('The Graham F Smith Peace Trust'), and there is no such article. (The lack of capitals and punctuation is not an unusual lapse of propriety.) That is why I suggest it doesn't look good for Wikipedia: because the offer to take the user to an article with one name results in them being taken to an article with another name. 
[[User:Phildoug|Phildoug]] ([[User talk:Phildoug|talk]]) 10:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{U|Phildoug}}, people misspell, and they misremember. "Nicholas" is much commoner than "Nicolas" in Britain, and thus people are likely to type "[[Nicholas Bentley]]" even though this Brit's name was "[[Nicolas Bentley]]". Either way, Wikipedia sends them to "Nicolas Bentley". I suggest (admittedly with no evidence offhand) that people who do or don't get "Nicolas" wrong here don't care what the system looks like; that if this were removed so that people who typed "Nicholas Bentley" were not forwarded but instead drew a blank, and later realized that they shouldn't have typed the "h", they would be annoyed at themselves, Wikipedia or both; and that all in all this system is highly beneficial. (It can be and occasionally is misused, but I see no hint of misuse here.) I simply don't understand how, if "the offer to take the user to an article with one name results in them being taken to an article with another name" (and if the non-existent article with one name was probably a botched attempt to input the other name), this "doesn't look good for Wikipedia". However, I may be misunderstanding you in some way or other. If you don't want a redirect, you can appeal for its removal. First read and digest [[WP:Redirect]], and if you still think that it should be removed, ask for this at [[WP:Redirects for discussion]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 11:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hoary, thanks again for your ongoing help to understand this issue. The problem isn't that the system redirects people to the right page; that is a good thing, obviously. The problem is that the system says it will direct them to a page with the title 'The Graham F Smith Peace Trust', an organisation that does not exist, and indeed a page that does not exist. Perhaps the issue is of no importance, but I thought it should be raised. [[User:Phildoug|Phildoug]] ([[User talk:Phildoug|talk]]) 22:36, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:Okay, I think I understand what your point was. I entered "The Graham F Smith Peace Trust" (note the lack of a period) into the search box and was told that there was no such page, but the correct page "The Graham F. Smith Peace Trust" (note the period) was the first suggested link. Clicking on this suggested link took me to the correct page. I have created a redirect from "The Graham F Smith Peace Trust" to "The Graham F Smith Peace Trust" to remove this extra step. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:00, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

That's great, I think it solves the problem. Thanks for all the help.[[User:Phildoug|Phildoug]] ([[User talk:Phildoug|talk]]) 22:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

== Wiki Video Training ==

Hello, 

Do you provide some sort of wikipedia training on how to publish/correct articles? Please advise. Thank you!&nbsp;[[User:StottConsultancy|StottConsultancy]] ([[User talk:StottConsultancy|talk]]) 22:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|StottConsultancy}} Perhaps [[WP:TWA]] will help. But be careful to not have a name that sounds commercial. See [[WP:ORGNAME]]. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:: Adding to this, there are many [[Help:Editing|resources]] to learn how to edit and create articles. If you are acting on a behalf of a client, you should request edits via the [[Help:Talk pages|Talk Page]] of the article. If you are attempting to create an article [[Conflict_of_interest#Paid_editing|for a client]], you must disclose your [[Conflict_of_interest#How_to_disclose_a_COI|conflict of interest]] on your user page. Next, read [[Help:Your_first_article#Are_you_closely_connected_to_the_article_topic?|these COI guidelines]] and instructions for creating a draft that follow. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 23:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|StottConsultancy}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  For video training, see [[Wikipedia:Instructional material#Screencasts and Videos]] and https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf#Videos - happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 00:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::AND... you are blocked until you change your User name. See your Talk page. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 00:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== PROD stats ==

Does anyone here know if there is something like [[WP:AfD stats]] for [[WP:PROD]] nominations. It'd be interesting to see a list of which PRODs I opened, how ofteb the resulted in deletion, and how many PRODs I've removed.&nbsp;[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 00:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]]. Yes this exists. You simply need to create a PROD log, like mine at [[User:Nick Moyes/PROD log]]. You create this by enabling [[WP:TWINKLE]] and going into your preference settings for that programme and activating a PROD log in [[Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences]]. Hope this helps, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 01:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Self Published Source ==

For one reason, they have removed my contributions to the Google Street View page, a user [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coverage_of_Google_Street_View&type=revision&diff=1044507512&oldid=1044502729 removed] some sources for example they removed the Virtual Streets.org page, which is a website dedicated to monitor Google Street View updates, which is a reliable source because these people use directly the Google Maps API and create maps using different layers. The source was removed because it was "Self-Published", but in Wikipedia's policy on these sources, it says that there is a section "[[Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_self-published_works#Self-published_doesn't_mean_a_source_is_automatically_invalid|Self-published doesn't mean a source is automatically invalid]]", in this case Virtual Streets does a detailed research about new additions of places and cities, and is accurate in saying which places have been added because they directly use the Google Street View API to determine which places have been added and describe it in an update article. Can I place this source back into the Google Street View article? It is the only source that tells about Google Street View updates and is of high quality in telling what places have been added.&nbsp;[[User:JSeb05|<span style="color: orange; font-weight: bold;">'''Seb'''</span>]] { 💬 [[User talk:JSeb05|<span style="color: green;">Talk</span>]] + 📝 [[Special:Contributions/JSeb05|<span style="color: purple;">Edits</span>]] } 22:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|JSeb05|label=Seb}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  Per the [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle]], I suggest that you respond to the conversation on [[Talk:Coverage of Google Street View]] to explain why you think the information would be valuable for the Wikipedia article.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 00:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{reply to|GoingBatty}} I am asking if Virtual Streets meets the standards to be considered a valid source. On the Self Published Source policy page it says that certain self-published sources can be considered valid. Does this apply to the [https://virtualstreets.org/ Virtual Streets] website? -[[User:JSeb05|<span style="color: orange; font-weight: bold;">'''Seb'''</span>]] { 💬 [[User talk:JSeb05|<span style="color: green;">Talk</span>]] + 📝 [[Special:Contributions/JSeb05|<span style="color: purple;">Edits</span>]] } 01:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|JSeb05|label=Seb}} I understand the question, and suggest that you discuss it on [[Talk:Coverage of Google Street View]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 01:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Writing an article from a Neutral Point of View ==

I created this page [[Draft:Jonathan Roumie]] and it has been marked for deletion because it is promotional. However, it wasn't intentionally written to be promotional. After the deletion tag was added, I removed couple of statements which could be perceived as promotional, even though I had included citations. I'd appreciate feedback for the article in its current form to see where I'm doing it wrong. Thanks in advance!&nbsp;[[User:Elenatina|Elenatina]] ([[User talk:Elenatina|talk]]) 05:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:The person who marked it for deletion withdrew it since you removed promotional content. Please also see [[Template:Infobox actor]] and use that instead of a wikitable for data about the subject. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 05:42, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:I see no major flaws with the article other the fact that you should use an infobox. <sub>Signed,</sub>'''''[[User:Pichemist|Pichemist]]'' <sup>([[User talk:Benjamin Borg|Talk]])</sup>''' 05:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] - I've added the Infobox actor template instead of the table. Thanks for your feedback! [[User:Elenatina|Elenatina]] ([[User talk:Elenatina|talk]]) 22:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


::According to cited sources, Jonathan “does a beautiful job”<ref>{{Cite web|last=Swiderski|first=Tyler|title=Christ on Screen: The Benefits and Drawbacks of Christian-Based Visual Media in Evangelism and Entertainment|url=http://essays.wisluthsem.org:8080/handle/123456789/4497|url-status=live|website=Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary}}</ref> of portraying a "highly relatable Jesus that moves beyond some of the holier-than-thou, untouchable, unapproachable portraits of Jesus in the past" <ref name=":2">{{Cite web|last=DeVille|first=Chris|date=2021-06-27|title=Christian America’s Must-See TV Show|url=https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/06/the-chosen-jesus-tv-show/619306/|access-date=2021-09-04|website=The Atlantic|language=en}}</ref>. 

::I removed the above content which I suspected to be promotional. Need feedback to understand why it is considered promotional so I do better in my next article.[[User:Elenatina|Elenatina]] ([[User talk:Elenatina|talk]]) 07:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

:You should not write statements like "He has also worked on video games like Evolve, Mafia II & III, and The Darkness II." If he has worked on those specific games, write "He has also worked on the video games Evolve, Mafia II & III, and The Darkness II", preferably citing sources. If he hasn't worked on all of those games, don't try to give the impression that he has. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 11:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
::For the Television and Film tables, I recommend you remove the last column, showing network and director. All that Wikilinking adds nothing to the article. What IS needed is confirmation via referencing that he did perform in those TV series and films. If not possible, delete rows. Wikipedia does not need to be a CV of every performance. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:21, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

:::{{u|Elenatina}} Of greater importance, you are referencing INDb and his website for his film and TV work. Those are not considered reliable source references. Same for interviews. Also, do not place refs at section titles. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:25, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] and [[User:Maproom|Maproom]]. I'll make the necessary changes.

In the Chosen, Jonathan plays Jesus "projecting divine gravity accented with easygoing warmth"<ref name=":2" /><ref>{{Cite web|last=Stechschulte|first=Mike|title=If you haven’t yet, do yourself a favor and watch The Chosen|url=https://www.thetimesherald.com/story/opinion/2021/05/20/if-you-havent-yet-do-yourself-favor-and-watch-chosen/5180429001/|access-date=2021-09-04|website=Times Herald|language=en-US}}</ref>.

Is this sentence valid or is it considered promotional based on guidelines?[[User:Elenatina|Elenatina]] ([[User talk:Elenatina|talk]]) 16:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:I consider it promotional, even though it is a quote from the first ref. But what the hell do I know, I'm Jewish. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 17:36, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
{{talkref}}
:{{ping|Elenatina}} It would be less promotional to state facts, such as "Chris DeVille from ''[[The Atlantic]]'' wrote that 'Roumie plays Jesus as someone you’d actually like to hang out with, projecting divine gravity accented with easygoing warmth.'"  Hope this helps!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 18:01, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]]

:Hello, {{U|Elenatina}}. No Wikipedia article should ever contain any evaluative statement (positive or negative) ''in Wikipedia's voice''. On the other hand it may be acceptable to include an evaluative phrase from a cited reliable source that is independent of the subject, as long as it is made clear that it is a direct quotation. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:19, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

How do comments on our page work? Once we fix the comment, we remove it ourselves? or does someone else remove it for us? [[User:Elenatina|Elenatina]] ([[User talk:Elenatina|talk]]) 05:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:If an article is accepted, the reviewer removes all the Comments. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== BC and BCE ==

Hi Wikipedians,

I've noticed that some of your articles use BC/AD while others use BCE/CE. Can I please know why? And also, why articles uses different styles. Like, do Christian countries use the BC/AD systems?&nbsp;[[User:It&#39;sBirdy|It&#39;sBirdy]] ([[User talk:It&#39;sBirdy|talk]]) 02:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:It'sBirdy|It'sBirdy]]: Welcome to the Teahouse. The manual of style has [[MOS:BCE|a section]] about this; the style is generally arbitrarily chosen and retained for future edits (unless there's a good reason to switch over). —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 02:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Text from source - problem, maybe ==

Just made this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Halasartan&type=revision&diff=1044053803&oldid=1036560989 change] to [[Halasartan]]. To start with, I thought maybe one paragraph was a possible problem, being a bit too close to the source.<ref>{{cite news |title=Cancer support program for young people launches nationwide |url=https://www.jpost.com/health-science/cancer-support-program-for-young-people-launches-nationwide-638064 |work=The Jerusalem Post JPost.com}}</ref> It was a list of resources in a patient program, so maybe hard to express differently. But I did re-write it - quite different now, I think. However, I was looking at the source again, to help me write about it on the talk page, and now I think I can see it's more than just the one paragraph. It '''might''' be more. (And it's only a very short news item!) I do not think I know how to deal with this, and I may be completely wrong, anyway. Would someone who knows what they're doing look at it, please?  Thanks, and apologies if I am asking about something that's trivial.
{{talk-reflist}}&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/49.177.6.159|49.177.6.159]] ([[User talk:49.177.6.159|talk]]) 10:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Moneytrees}}, can you take a look? It looks like one or more sentences have been copy-pasted from multiple sources. I am not sure if it's egregious enough to require removing, or if it would be a big violation if all the sources were put together and compared. '''[[Special:Contributions/Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]]''' 07:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|49.177.6.159}} {{ping|Usedtobecool}} Since {{ping|Moneytrees}} asked on [[WP:Discord]], I took a look at Halasartan. The Wikipedia article was made in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Halasartan&oldid=1035370794 2021], after the 2020 Jerusalem Post article linked above. Comparing the current Wikipedia revision on September 13th, there is still [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=&oldid=1044068363&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jpost.com%2Fhealth-science%2Fcancer-support-program-for-young-people-launches-nationwide-638064 copyvio]. This copyvio was included upon the [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=&oldid=1035370794&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jpost.com%2Fhealth-science%2Fcancer-support-program-for-young-people-launches-nationwide-638064 Wikipedia article's creation] in July 2021. As you've also spotted and fixed close paraphrasing from the same article, I think it would be best to compare the entire Jerusalem Post article to Wikipedia's article on Halasartan to see if there's any more close paraphrasing issues apart from the copying flagged by Earwig's bot. Thank you for asking and helping fix this issue! :) --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 02:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Need Support, Help, suggestions, recommendations. ==

Hello Everyone at Teahouse.
Am, Totally new here but I've been creating and editing articles in many other websites and also now want to be part of Wikipedia Family. Actually I'm here with the purpose of making an article on a very famous Indian Film Song  "Desh Mere" this song is the part of a very famous Indian Movie- [[Bhuj: The Pride of India]] you can also check it out on Google. In the writing of the article I may need your help as I am completely week in finding out that which website is significant or independent. Also I must be needing your help in framing the sentences for articles so I will be creating the article as a Draft at first so will you all help me in this whenever I would ask you ? please.......&nbsp;[[User:BeingAlwaysHappy|BeingAlwaysHappy]] ([[User talk:BeingAlwaysHappy|talk]]) 07:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{U|BeingAlwaysHappy}}, I'm fascinated. Why would you be here with the purpose of making an article on a single song? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

[[User:Hoary|Hoary]] Not only a single song I would be making more articles as I want to make Wikipedia's Treasure more big. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:BeingAlwaysHappy|BeingAlwaysHappy]] ([[User talk:BeingAlwaysHappy#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BeingAlwaysHappy|contribs]]) </span>
:Teahouse hosts are here to provide advice, but not as co-authors. Advice given to all new editors is to gain experience editing existing articles before trying to create an article. Your 'ask' here is your very first edit. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:24, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::The song ''Desh Mere'' is from the song track of the movie that was released last month (to mostly mediocre reviews). A quick search did not yield any website content that I consider independent and meaningful. Not famous song in not famous movie. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

[[User:David notMD|David notMD]]  thank you for your most valuable response can you please take out a short while for me? can you please check the song "Is Qadar" and check does this song has been mentioned any independent or significant website Which can be used as reference in article. I am requesting you to do this because I've completely no idea about how to check that is the website independent or something else so please?

:{{U|BeingAlwaysHappy}}, please read [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] to get an idea of which sources are reliable. Supplement this by looking up various sources that you know well within [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources]]. (Yes, it's a strange title. It means something like "Sources that may or may not be reliable and about whose reliability many people ask questions".) And then make cautious, minor, referenced edits to articles that already exist. If your edits seem to be welcomed, proceed to cautious, major, referenced edits to articles that already exist. If these edits seem to be welcomed, consider creating drafts for articles that don't yet exist. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::I have no knowledge whatsoever about what might make a song notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|David notMD}} See [[WP:NSONG]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== About Publishing first article  ==

Hello, 
Recently I have made a page of a Television personality on Wikipedia. There are a few question which I would like to have the answer of- 
1. How long does it take to publish the page?
2. How can I add images from Instagram on Wikipedia of a celebrity?
3. How do I make an internal link to jump from one part of the page to another section?

Thank you!&nbsp;[[User:Kuhu12|Kuhu12]] ([[User talk:Kuhu12|talk]]) 03:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome to the teahouse.
:1. If you have made a draft, it depends on the current backlog. You should receive a response within the month. If you are talking about the [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol|WP:NPP]] process, it also depends on the backlog but the page should be published immediatley.
:2. You can't. WP:[[Wikipedia:Copyrights|Copyright]]
:3. I believe (I'm not sure) that you would need to, if for example linking to this section, use: <code>[[Wikipedia:Teahouse#About Publishing first article]]</code> which then becomes: [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#About Publishing first article]] <sub>Signed,</sub>'''''[[User:Pichemist|Pichemist]]'' <sup>([[User talk:Benjamin Borg|Talk]])</sup>''' 05:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Hello, {{u|Kuhu12}}. I assume that you are taking about [[User:Kuhu12/sandbox]]. You have not submitted it for review. Please read [[WP:AFC|Articles for Creation]] for your next steps. Before you do so, I suggest that you convert your references from bare URLs to a proper format showing bibliographic details. Read [[WP:REFBEGIN|Referencing for beginners]]. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 06:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Dark Mode When? ==

Every other blazing-white site and app seems to be getting one, Google Search recently rolled one out. How feasible  would it be to implement one on Wikipedia?&nbsp;[[User:Americanfreedom|Americanfreedom]] ([[User talk:Americanfreedom|talk]]) 01:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{yo|Americanfreedom}} There already is! Just go to [[Special:Preferences]], select Gadgets, and scroll down. It's the last item on the list. <b>[[User:Dudhhr|<span style="color:navy;">dud</span>]]</b><i>[[User talk:Dudhhr|<span style="color:red;">hhr</span>]]</i><small><sub>[[Special:Contribs/Dudhhr|<span style="color:green;">Contribs</span>]]</sub></small> 02:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{yo|Dudhhr}} There it is! Thank you! [[User:Americanfreedom|Americanfreedom]] ([[User talk:Americanfreedom|talk]]) 06:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Request To Check if the Source is reliable for using it as Reference. ==

Hello Team,
I have a question can someone please tell me that is this article good for giving reference for a article the coverage is from IndiaTV here's the link https://www.indiatvnews.com/entertainment/music/is-qadar-song-out-tulsi-kumar-darshan-raval-endearing-chemistry-wins-hearts-in-new-song-watch-696349 please do let me know if this link can be used as a perfect reference for wikipedia.

Regards&nbsp;[[User:BeingAlwaysHappy|BeingAlwaysHappy]] ([[User talk:BeingAlwaysHappy|talk]]) 06:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:"Music sensations" at the start means "musicians". "The song is already winning hearts on the internet": If this means numbers of views, I wonder how many; if it doesn't, I suspect that it means nothing. Then there's a short summary of the words. It ends: "[T]he song will leave you reminiscing about the feeling of madly falling in love. Tulsi Kumar and Darshan Raval's endearing chemistry will surely melt your heart." Oh dear. "A perfect reference"? I'd call it mere drivel. But exactly what would you want it to reference? (I'd take it as evidence that such a song exists and was heavily promoted, but that's about all.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:10, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== How to add archived link beside an expired url ==

[[File:Piklustar.png|alt=55, 56 and 57th reference of wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Institute_of_Medical_Sciences,_New_Delhi|thumb|Snapshot from wikipedia.org/wiki/All_India_Institute_of_Medical_Sciences,_New_Delhi]]

Hello! As far as I have found, there are three types of references:

1. Only direct links [56]

2. Links with archived links, in case they expire [55]

3. Only archived links (possibly their direct links have already expired) [57]

Now suppose, link in 56 expires, and there exists archived version of it in web.archive.org. How can I edit to change the link in <math>56^{th}</math> so that it looks like 57? Will I have to do the whole editing manually? Dates and all? Or does there exist some kind of trick or template, whatever?

I am a noob about templates :-)

Please help ^.^

Thanks in Advance :D [[User:Seeker220|Seeker220]] ([[User talk:Seeker220|talk]]) 07:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
: You are presumably referring to the article [[All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi]]? Ref 56 is in fact an archive link, as you'll see if you follow the link. If a template such as {{tl|cite web}} is used, the parameters for archive url and archive date are available, and that is usually the cleanest method of presenting the data. In some cases editors have not used such a template, and they haven't always made it clear whether the link is an archive one, but you could, if you wish, expand the information provided. Ref 57 is not an archive link, but you could include an archive url if you wish to do so. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 07:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Okay so, {{cite web}} is the thingy Thanks :) [[User:Seeker220|Seeker220]] ([[User talk:Seeker220|talk]]) 08:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== need to move from sandbox to public domain ==

I am unable to locate the 'move' button to move the article from my sandbox to wikipedia&nbsp;[[User:Rsbage|Rsbage]] ([[User talk:Rsbage|talk]]) 02:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:Rsbage|Rsbage]], You can use [[Wikipedia:Article wizard]] to publish your articles. [[User:Mattplaysthedrums|Mattplaysthedrums]] ([[User talk:Mattplaysthedrums|talk]]) 03:23, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Rsbage}} There's lots more helpful information at [[Help:Your first article]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::If you are referring to [[User:Rsbage/sandbox]], yo uhave created an infobox, but have not yet begun to create the article. Model after other biographies. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 09:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== my page ==

yes hello you sended me a message long ago about the Sd.Kfz. 251 "Calliope" and i lost my page, where can i find it ?&nbsp;[[User:Quinten FURY|Quinten FURY]] ([[User talk:Quinten FURY|talk]]) 09:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Per your Talk oage, the draft was deleted because you stopped working on it. There is a link to an undeletion process. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 09:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:I've undeleted [[Draft:Sd.Kfz. 251 "Calliope"]]. (You'll have to do a lot of work on this before anyone is likely to approve its transformation into an article.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== how to remove from more cateogries category. ==

Hello, I found a page ([[Howard_Lipshitz]])in the "not enough categories" section of the wikipedia task center, and I was wondering A: if this is enough categories and B: how to remove it from this section so it is no longer listed as not having enough categories.
Many Thanks!&nbsp;[[User:DirkJandeGeer|DirkJandeGeer]] ([[User talk:DirkJandeGeer|talk]]) 09:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:DirkJandeGeer|DirkJandeGeer]] Now yes :) and without knowing exactly what you're referring to, it likely will be removed automatically, because the article itself does not have a tag anymore indicating that it needs more categories. ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 10:52, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== how to remove from more cateogries category. ==

Hello, I found [[Howard_Lipshitz]] categoriesed as a page which needed more categories. I have added as many categories as I could, and I was wondering A: is this enough categories, and B: how do I remove it from the "not enough categories" category.
Many Thanks!&nbsp;[[User:DirkJandeGeer|DirkJandeGeer]] ([[User talk:DirkJandeGeer|talk]]) 09:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:DirkJandeGeer|DirkJandeGeer]] Welcome to Tea House! You asked this question two minutes later below. Please only ask questions once and in one place, to minimize duplication ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 10:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
appologies, it gave me a message saying there was a server issue and that my question could not be posted so I tried again, but I realised it did in fact post my first question.
[[User:DirkJandeGeer|DirkJandeGeer]] ([[User talk:DirkJandeGeer|talk]]) 12:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
== Is original art allowed? ==

Came across two recent instances at which an editor added their own art to an article (a painted portrait, an ink sketch). Neither article was autobiographical. Both currently reverted. Original photographs are obviously allowed at Commons. Is there a guideline on art?&nbsp;[[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 19:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:It probably depends on the purpose that art works serve in an article. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 19:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|David notMD}}. I am not aware of any specific policy or guideline and think that it would depend on the context and specific circumstances. I am aware of the example of [[Kim Jong-un]] where there was a computer generated portrait image for several years because no freely licensed photos were available. That ended when he met with Donald Trump and U.S. government photographers took public domain photos of him. Also relevant is whether the artist is genuinely trying to illustrate an article that is better with it, or is motivated by self promotion. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 19:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::I guess we could just ask... ;-) [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 19:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:I'm guessing you saw [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1121#Editors_creating_paintings_for_articles]]. Stuff like [[WP:SPS]] and [[WP:LEADIMAGE]] doesn't mention it ''directly'', but I'd say it's implied. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 19:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:Adding your own art is definitely encouraged if it is a genuine improvement, but it's probably better for others to discuss whether it is or not, and for artists to ask WikiProjects where help is needed most (or search {{t|image requested}} kinds of things) if they want to make things for Commons/WP. [[Seedfeeder]] is one notable (in both senses of the word) case of an artist adding (pornographic) images to WP that are useful. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 21:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::An artist added their own art as an example of a type of art. There is no article about the artist, and there were already sufficient example images in the article. On User page, the editor expressed interest/intent in adding own art to other articles. I reverted the first because if felt promotional, and cautioned against such future contributions. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 22:35, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::I saw this while trying to find another question I asked here. I forgot to put in my userpage that I would add art ''if'' I thought it needed more examples for more understanding, like I did to the article you suggested. The intention was not to be promotional.
:::Still, if it's not needed that's completely fine by me! [[User:Washing Machine of Lies|WashyLieshy]] ([[User talk:Washing Machine of Lies|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

==Saving Articles?==
Is there a way to save articles without publishing them? [[:User:JulieMinkai|<span style="color: purple; text-decoration: inherit; -moz-text-decoration-color: purple; text-decoration-color: purple;">Minkai</span>]] ([[User talk:JulieMinkai|talk to me]]) 13:23, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|JulieMInkai}} Actually, the publish button is the save button. If you're in a draft the article won't go into the mainspace until you put it in for review and it gets accepted. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 13:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@[https://www.a-rrajani.com Fashion Photography] From A.Rrajani.

== Please can you explain the word risky behavior  ==

&nbsp;[[User:Supreme baby|Supreme baby]] ([[User talk:Supreme baby|talk]]) 11:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Supreme baby}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? If you need a word definition, you may use your preferred search engine, such as Google. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Teahouse is the place to ask questions about how to edit at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not chat, or a forum. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:51, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Or, if the word is there, you could also use Wiktionary, which is another project of the Wikimedia Foundation. <small>I attempted to link to Wiktionary's main page but it didn't appear to work. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 13:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)</small> [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 13:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== sir don`t delete my hardworks ==

&nbsp;[[User:Pakistani cinema films|Pakistani cinema films]] ([[User talk:Pakistani cinema films|talk]]) 09:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Your edits have been reverted since you have attempted to evade a block. Investigation [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Zaid Zayd/Archive|here]] and explanation [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|here]]. <sub>Signed,</sub>'''''[[User:Pichemist|Pichemist]]'' <sup>([[User talk:Benjamin Borg|Talk]])</sup>''' 09:23, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Pichemist}} are you sure about the block? I did not see [[User:Pakistani cinema films]] among the long list of sockpuppet accounts at that link, nor a mention on the editor's User or Talk pages. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm fairly certain that at least one of his edits got reverted for the reason of block evasion. <sub>Signed,</sub>'''''[[User:Pichemist|Pichemist]]'' <sup>([[User talk:Benjamin Borg|Talk]])</sup>''' 13:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== more than 1 hatnote is allowed? ex. [[Kyung Wha Chung]] ==

[[Kyung Wha Chung]] contains two types of [[Wikipedia:Hatnote|Hatnotes]]: [[Template:Other uses]] and [[Template:Family name hatnote]]. so can we use more than 1 type of hatnotes?&nbsp;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|Brāhmī]] • [[:wikidata:User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:#000000">tagboard</span>]]&nbsp; • (always start discussion using <code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|ashtamatrikas]]&#125;&#125;</code>) 13:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|ashtamatrikas}}: provided they're both relevant, yes. Many biographical articles have both a family name template and a disambiguation template such as the one in the article about Chung. [[User:Neiltonks|Neiltonks]] ([[User talk:Neiltonks|talk]]) 13:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{Resolved|{{ping|Neiltonks}} so both of them can coexist and they are informative about different aspects. [[User:Ashtamatrikas|Brāhmī]] • [[:wikidata:User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:#000000">tagboard</span>]]&nbsp; • (always start discussion using <code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|ashtamatrikas]]&#125;&#125;</code>) 13:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)}}

== Redirecting ==

I was deleting a redirect from the page Rajasthani Language but it deleted the all content of it please help me to bring that back.Languages&nbsp;[[User:Bharat0078|Bharat0078]] ([[User talk:Bharat0078|talk]]) 13:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:you've been moving the article around. The content currently exists at [[Rajasthani Languages]] (with an upper-case 'L'). [[User:Neiltonks|Neiltonks]] ([[User talk:Neiltonks|talk]]) 13:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== How should we cite books with cites in them ==

This is just a question for the future if I do have a book like that one. 
Should we cite the book itself or read the sources in the passage, check if it's reliable, and cite that?&nbsp;[[User:Washing Machine of Lies|WashyLieshy]] ([[User talk:Washing Machine of Lies|talk]]) 15:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
: I'd say that depends on a lot of factors. The reliability/author/purpose/publisher of the book matters when referencing a passage, as well as the content you're trying to reference. If the book passage is referencing a primary source, say, a historical document, and the author is, say, an academic, and she's using a historical document to make a point about Renaissance culture, you should cite the book, not access the original historical document yourself to make that same point. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:: Pyrrho is right. In that case, the important thing is whose opinion you are giving - the author of the book itself, based on their synthesis and research - or the author of the primary source, who is merely being quoted by the book's author in a factual way. Additionally, if a book is readily available, but it's quoting another, earlier book that is very hard to get (and therefore you do not have), then I think it's reasonable to cite the book you have. In this case, you should try to find some way to make it clear you are citing a second-hand source. You can do this either in the reference ("In his book A, Smith says X" and in ref "quoted in Jones, book B") or in the text ("Jones reports that Smith said X" (ref: book B)). What you should try to avoid is saying "Smith says X (ref book B)" because this potentially starts a long trail of references where the reader is sent from book to book, in hopes that eventually they will find Smith. It also hides the situation that you're reporting something you haven't actually seen for yourself (not necessarily disastrous, but the longer the chain of authors/editors, the more risk that someone has misquoted or made a mistake). [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 16:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Regarding Elemimele's points, see the guideline [[WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT]]. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 17:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I just thought about if this situation could happen in the future, so it's not necessarily important for me at the moment.   [[User:Washing Machine of Lies|WashyLieshy]] ([[User talk:Washing Machine of Lies|talk]]) 13:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Micronoma, Inc. page rejected ==

Hello,

Our article was deleted and I am hoping to get concise guidance on how to amend the issues for a successful publication. Thank you.&nbsp;[[User:CommsQueen|CommsQueen]] ([[User talk:CommsQueen|talk]]) 19:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{courtesy link|Draft:Micronoma, Inc.}}. Deleted on the 10th under [[WP:G11]]. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 19:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|CommsQueen}} Your phrasing in saying, "Our article" implies that this is a shared account, which is not allowed per the rules of WIkipedia. Also, since you disclosed that you are being paid by the subject of the article you're making, please see [[WP:RA]] and make sure you have read and understood [[WP:PAID]]. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 19:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. <s>The article draft was deleted for "unambiguous promotion", meaning that it was written like an advertisement. Articles MUST be written in a neutral tone, as if the writer has never heard of the topic, and is writing only what can be found in reliable, independent sources. This means not from the company's own website, or other marketing material. Please read good articles of other companies to get a sense of the required tone and style. Finally, the article should generally not be written by an editor with conflict of interest. Articles can be requested to be created by other editors [[Wikipedia:Requested articles|here]]. [</s> [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 19:26, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

::{{reply|Pyrrho the Skeptic}} it didn't appear to be written in a promotional tone. I can see the deleted version. Although it was written for publicity purposes, it looked salvageable.
::In any case, it would be best to ask the deleting administrator. {{ping|Stifle}} I noticed you declined a speedy deletion nomination of [[Draft:Micronoma, Inc.]] and then deleted the draft anyway a short time later. Do you have objection to restoring it? ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 19:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::: I have struck the comment, thanks for the AGF reminder, Anachronist. I will also be happy to assist in working on this draft, if needed. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 19:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
::::As a general hint, I am going to link to [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch]] so CommsQueen knows what they might need to look out for. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 19:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
[[User:CommsQueen|CommsQueen]] ([[User talk:CommsQueen|talk]]) 20:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)I understand the confusion of my use of "our". That phrasing is in relationship to my affiliation with my client, Micronoma, whom the article is about. To confirm, this article was posted by me alone and this account belongs to me. Is the next best course of action for me to edit the phrasing to be more ambiguous and submit again? This is my first Wikipedia article. Any help is certainly appreciated. Thank you.[[User:CommsQueen|CommsQueen]] ([[User talk:CommsQueen|talk]]) 20:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|CommsQueen}} Your next best course of action would be to go to [[WP:RA]] (not [[WP:RFA]] like I mistakenly linked to earlier) and request someone else make the article and also please make sure you understand [[WP:PAID]], you're a step above some other paid editors I've seen who don't disclose that they've been paid. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 21:06, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:: The only problem with [[WP:RA]] is that it might take for ever and a day before anyone actually makes the article. It's really hard to write an article where you have a conflict of interest, but if you feel you need to proceed, then I'd read the struck text from Pyrrho the Skeptic above, because although it's struck, it goes to the heart of the matter. Everything you write will have to be supported by reliable independent references. Articles about businesses often suffer because the so-called independent references are actually publications that specialise in picking up press-releases, so basically they contain nearly-unvetted information from the company itself. What article reviewers will want to see are references where some journalist decided to find out about the company, not references where the company decided to tell some journalist about itself. Unfortunately such sources can be hard to find. Even quite big companies, doing their routine business, aren't terribly exciting to the press or public, unless they have a horrendous scandal, go broke, get prosecuted for having illegal workers, or whatever. It's very hard not to write in a promotional tone. How can "The company grew from assets of $2 in 1991 to $15Billion in 1992" sound anything but positive? And because you've (very properly, which is appreciated) declared your CoI, everyone's going to be scrutinising every word for positiveness! So I'd recommend keeping the article very short in the first instance. If you can't find several independent sources, it's doomed anyway. If you can find a couple of good sources summarising the basics of the company (what it does, how it came to be, why anyone cares), just say the basics that those references say. Three good references on their own are better than 3 good references hiding amongst 17 press-releases and interviews with the CEO. If you keep it simple and plain, then the article stands more chance of being accepted. Unfortunately, once it's accepted, you can't edit it; you have to make edit requests on its talk-page. But these tend to get handled much more quickly than requests for complete articles, if you make them in a very clear and explicit manner. Good luck! [[User:Elemimele|Elemimele]] ([[User talk:Elemimele|talk]]) 21:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{reply|Anachronist}} Thanks for contacting me – I originally declined the speedy deletion because an editor was looking to revise the article to become encyclopedic, and wished to hold off per [[WP:ATD]], but the editor advised me they were no longer in a position to do so.
:{{reply|CommsQueen}} Please understand that Wikipedia is not a place to advertise or write about your business. You would do this on ''your own website''. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 08:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{reply|Stifle}} Thanks. I still want to know if you object to restoring the draft so that it can be improved. It does need a lot of work, but it looks salvageable. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{reply|Anachronist}} I do not :) [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 14:18, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Help on finding a specific essay/policy ==

Hello! I'm attempting to find an essay/policy that says not everything in an article has to have a source and it includes a diff of the article [[Hand]] where someone added {{cn}} to a statement saying there were five fingers on one hand. Anyone know what that is?&nbsp;[[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 14:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Do you mean [[Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue]].--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 14:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::That's it! Thank you! [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 15:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Your thoughts on this edit ==

Is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Chinese-language_radio_stations&curid=6719739&diff=1044694970&oldid=1044694776 this edit] (by a new user) constructive/ok in general?&nbsp;[[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber1]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1|talk]]) 15:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
: Welcome to the Teahouse. Seems like a good-faith edit, however I would avoid the colloquial "24/7" in favor for some of the alternatives that were introduced in later edits to that paragraph. If the issue is whether or not that fact should be included at all, then that might be trickier. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 16:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Why did my wikipedia page disappear? ==

Just wondered why may wiki page (which has been around for about 10 years) was suddenly deleted. I am currently trying to put a new one up. If it's not allowed that is fine, but wondered why it suddenly disappeared? My page was "Tim Hamilton (the ILLUSTRATOR). NOT the designer, the equestrian or the movie director. 
Thanks for any information.

Tim Hamilton 
My website:   https://hamilton-tim.pairsite.com/CUTBLEED/&nbsp;[[User:Bobanderni|Bobanderni]] ([[User talk:Bobanderni|talk]]) 15:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{Courtesy link|Tim Hamilton (illustrator)}}, deleted in July after a [[WP:PROD]] for not demonstrating [[WP:N|notability]] of the subject and being [[WP:V|undersourced]]. {{u|Bobanderni}} See [[Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted?]] and in particular [[Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted?#Proposed deletions|§ Proposed deletions]]. Please be aware that [[WP:AUTOBIO|autobiographys are strongely discouraged]], that [[WP:OWN|nobody owns an article here]] and that [[WP:PROUD|a Wikipedia article might not nessesarely be desireable]]. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 16:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== I can not create drafts. It says my IP range is blocked. ==

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia. I was trying to create a new draft through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard/version1/Ready_for_submission but it says my IP is blocked because someone abused something. I have never used Wikipedia in past so how it can happen? Please help.&nbsp;[[User:Stephoishere|Stephoishere]] ([[User talk:Stephoishere|talk]]) 15:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Stephoishere}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you could edit this page, your IP is not blocked(at the moment at least). If this happens again, please tell the exact message that appears. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::<small>I thought IP blocks didn't apply to registered accounts.</small> [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 15:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Stephoishere|Stephoishere]]: Welcome to the Teahouse. IPs aren't bound to one person, and there's a very high chance that when IPs changed, you received one that someone used to be disruptive. You're still seeing this even when registered? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 15:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

This is the message I see.
Your username or IP address is blocked from doing this. You may still be able to do other things on this site, such as editing certain pages. You can view the full block details at account contributions.

The block was made by ‪DrKay‬.

The reason given is:


Editing from this range has been disabled (blocked) by an administrator in response to abuse.
Editing by unregistered users from this IP address range has been blocked. In rare cases, usually in response to serious abuse, logged-in editing may also be blocked. An IP address range may in some cases be used by many people; if you believe that you are not the person this block is intended for, please follow the instructions below:

If you have an account: Please log in to edit. If you still cannot edit, place <nowiki>{{unblock}}</nowiki> on your talk page and make reference to this message. You may wish to ping the blocking administrator or email them via the "email this user" function.

If you do not have an account: Registered users are still able to edit. If you cannot create an account from this or another network, you may request that volunteers create your username for you. Please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Request an account to request an account under your preferred username. It may take some time to process your request.

: self-promoting sock puppet
Start of block: 14:36, 15 February 2021
Expiration of block: 14:36, 15 February 2022
Intended blockee: 2409:4043:0:0:0:0:0:0/32
Block ID #10383967
If you believe you are seeing this message in error, you may submit an appeal on the administrators' noticeboard, on your talk page, or by UTRS. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Stephoishere|Stephoishere]] ([[User talk:Stephoishere#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stephoishere|contribs]]) </span>
:Courtesy ping {{u|‪DrKay‬}}. Blocked IP range is [[Special:Contributions/2409:4043:0:0:0:0:0:0/32|2409:4043:0:0:0:0:0:0/32]] (2<sup>96</sup> individual IPv6 adresses). {{u|Blaze The Wolf}} when blocking an IP adress, administrators can configure the block to also affect logged-in-users (except those with the [[WP:IPBE|IP-Block excemption]] user right). See [[WP:HARDBLOCK]] for more info. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 16:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:Oh ok. Good to know. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 16:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Stephoishere}}. Please read [[Wikipedia:IP block exemption]] for the details and how you may be able to get around it. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 16:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Need help to write a biography ==

I am looking for assistance to write a biography of a living religious personality, he is one of 500 influential Muslims however there is no information about him on Wikipedia. He is very different from mainstream religious concepts and has significant opposition due to him challenging the normal religious concepts.

So looking for help.

This is his website Www.MuhammadShaikh.com&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/68.133.24.96|68.133.24.96]] ([[User talk:68.133.24.96|talk]]) 13:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
: In order to write a [[WP:BLP|biography of a living person]] you need several sources not connected to him that show he is [[WP:GNG|notable]] by Wikipedia's standards. His name is common, I think, so you'll have to find them yourself. If you source three or so that you think show him to be worthy of an article, you can start using the [[WP:AfC]] process. Please also read [[H:YFA]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Teahouse hosts advise, but are not here to be authors or co-authors. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

::[[WT:ISLAM]] may be a better place to ask for a collaborator. But in any case, if you want to enrol somebody into working with you on this, a ''very'' good way to start would be for you do to the groundwork, and find the independent reliable sources required to establish that Shaikh meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:NBIO|notability]]. If he does, and you present those sources, it may make collaborators more willing to work on it; if you can't find the sources, then you will know that there is no point in you or anybody else spending any more time on it. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== adding new references ==

just using my parents' entries for example, want a general background on footnotes/citations.I haven't done the editing yet, just want some clarifications. I have several questions- I think I should ask each separately...

I wish to add several other citations to the citations now showing 6, 7 ,8 [in particular, a book reference]
I have never done that. So it seems that I would just add <nowiki><ref> the citation </ref></nowiki>, and the software creates the numbering, is that is?

in one case I want to add a reference to a book in hardcopy - should I try to find it google books as well? [ as done in citation 8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_Philip_Zarky

well, I'll ask another related to references in this entry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Zarky

the first citation - neither link works now. Instead there is a link to a pdf of the original website.
https://www.wisbar.org/aboutus/legalhistory/Documents/Pioneers-in-the-Law-The-First-150-Women.pdf
which I will use to replace what is there. Or, should I leave some of that info around?

but, in general, links seem to come and go. [thanks to the wikipedians who, on their own, found references to my father's early life in Wisconsin newspaper clippings (that were probably not there when the site was first created). But these references could disappear too. Would it make sense to put copies of these pages up on my own website, to serve as a backup in future years (well, until I die, I guess...)? and somehow work that link into the entry?

Many thanks, Michael&nbsp;[[User:Tuningmeister|Tuningmeister]] ([[User talk:Tuningmeister|talk]]) 14:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hello, {{U|Tuningmeister|Michael}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. That's right: if you put the content of the reference at the place in the text where the citation should appear, between <nowiki><ref> and </ref></nowiki>, then the software will handle all that. The purpose of a reference is mostly to allow a reader anywhere to get hold of the source and check it (it doesn't necessarily have to be either easy, or free of charge, for them to do so, but they must be able to in principle) and also to allow a reader or a reviewer to judge how reliable the source is likely to be; for this reason, a citation should contain standard bibliographic information like title, author, publisher, date. If the source happens to be available on line, it is helpful to provide a link (including a link to google books, if the actual text cited is available - no point if it is only to the entry for the book) - but in most cases that is a convenience, not a fundamental part of the citation. All this is summarised in [[WP:REFB]]. For dead links, see [[WP:LINKROT]]. (I have added code to your question so that the <nowiki><ref> and </ref></nowiki> pair wouldn't be taken as a reference.) --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Conflict of Interest ==

Hi,I have a conflict of interest with Peter D. Welch page. Peter D. Welch is my father. He is 93 years old and in declining health as he ages so I thought that generating a page for him would not only give him joy, but add to the historical record.  

I have a Ph.D. (not in his area of expertise) but enough knowledge to research and support what I have written here in this entry.  None of what is here is my opinion; all is based on citations. And, in fact, a lot of it was new to me.

Anyhow. I am new to Wikipedia did not know about its COI policy, but it makes a great deal of sense. I would love for someone else -- or a number of people to write this entry -- but not sure how to help make that happen. Any advice welcome. His Welch Method continues to have relevance in the field and I believe, since the Welch Method is named after him, a short entry on the man is warranted. 

Thank you in advance.

- Rebeccah Welch&nbsp;[[User:RebeccahWelch|RebeccahWelch]] ([[User talk:RebeccahWelch|talk]]) 20:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
: Hi Reeccah and welcome to The Teahouse. The online mentions I could find, plus [[Welch's method|Welch's Method]] makes me think he's notable enough in the field for an article. I'd be happy to start one. If you have news mentions you can provide, it would be helpful. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 20:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:This seems to be about [[Draft:Peter D. Welch]]. Pinging @[[User:Drmies|Drmies]], if you feel like having an opinion. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 20:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|RebeccahWelch}} Hello Rebeccah! Thank you for following Wikipedia's COI policy after discovering it. As Pyrrho said, they've found enough sources to make in notable in his field, but they would like you to provide news mentions if you can. Hope your father enjoys the remainder of his life, despite his declining health. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 21:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::You have declard your connection here, but the right place for the information is on your User page. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 22:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the help and advice.  I have declared my conflict of interest on my User page. Not sure the language that is needed for that, but did my best. Yes, I have started a draft and the help/advice I am seeking is regarding that draft [[Draft:Peter D. Welch]]. The feedback says that they are looking for news citations. I believe I provided those and cited them-- though there might be additional material. Not sure my next steps in general.

This is an oral history of my father that is a great news source. This in reference to earlier requests for news mentions: https://d.lib.ncsu.edu/computer-simulation/videos/peter-d-welch-interviewed-by-james-r-wilson-welch/.
: Thanks for providing that. I left a message on you Talk Page following up on this conversation. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 01:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]], I have an opinion, of course, though I don't know why you pinged me: we should clean this up a bit, especially the citations, see what else we can find, and get this on the front page in the Did You Know section. [[User:RebeccahWelch|RebeccahWelch]], your dad might get a kick out of it. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 14:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::You told me once that "I've written dozens and dozens of biographies of academics", so it couldn't hurt. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:I actually have a friend who's a mathematician, I know it's crazy, and asked him for some help. [[User:David Eppstein]], can you help us out also? Thanks! [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 14:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Application error ==

I get an error when trying to use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLoop_DoubleCheck this tool], when I go to the website, it says application error. [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber1]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1|talk]]) 16:05, 16 September 2021
::hello {{ping|Speedcuber1}} if possible, please post your question at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiLoop_DoubleCheck WikiLoop DoubleCheck talk page]. concerned devs will look into your issue and resolve. i am also receiving same "application error". [[User:Ashtamatrikas|Brāhmī]] • [[:wikidata:User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:#000000">tagboard</span>]]&nbsp; • (always start discussion using <code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|ashtamatrikas]]&#125;&#125;</code>) 17:09, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

==[[Nicktoons (American TV channel)|nicktoons]] never dies?==
i'm very sure [[20th Century Studios|20th century studios]] is real. tell my why [[Nicktoons (American TV channel)|nicktoons]] still exists &nbsp;[[User:5944alsas|5944alsas]] ([[User talk:5944alsas|talk]]) 15:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|5944alsas}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Did you have a question about actually editing Wikipedia? Also, from my knowledge, 20th Century Studios and Nicktoons are completely independent from each other. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 16:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Companies may die, but articles about them persist (same for people). [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 17:12, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== How do I find Talk page archives? ==

Pretty basic question. I'm having trouble finding instructions about how to view archived Talk pages for a given article. I'd like to be able to view the entire editor discourse around an article (or at least the portion of it that exists on the Talk page) and I can't figure out how to do that. Thanks in advance.&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/98.15.134.221|98.15.134.221]] ([[User talk:98.15.134.221|talk]]) 15:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hello IP! Could you tell us what talk page you're wanting to view the archives for? [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 15:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Assuming there ''are'' talkpage archives, you'll generally find them linked near the top at the article, see [[Talk:Cheese]] for example: "Archives: 1, 2, 3". Each number is a link to an archived page. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 17:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== What is "clear Code"  ==

What is the meaning of "clear code" in double brackets  {{   }} when added to an article?  (as in [[Shakespeare's handwriting]] ? )  [[User:Åüñîçńøł|Åüñîçńøł]] ([[User talk:Åüñîçńøł|talk]]) 03:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Åüñîçńøł|Åüñîçńøł]] ([[User talk:Åüñîçńøł|talk]]) 03:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Åüñîçńøł|Åüñîçńøł]]. Anything in double brackets is called a [[WP:Templates|template]]. This is a piece of code that is used in different articles. You can see what [[:Template:Clear]] does on the template page. [[User:Mattplaysthedrums|Mattplaysthedrums]] ([[User talk:Mattplaysthedrums|talk]]) 03:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you.[[User:Åüñîçńøł|Åüñîçńøł]] ([[User talk:Åüñîçńøł|talk]]) 17:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Åüñîçńøł}} Basically all it does is it is used with other templates to make sure they don't interrupt with each other (Not actually sure how to describe it's function, I guess it's similar to break tags?) [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 17:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Deleting uncited claims ==

How many sources that could verify a particular claim but don't are needed to be able to delete an uncited claim? Should I mention the results of library and web search engines if I want to do this? Do I have to find a statement from a source that explicitly contradicts an uncited claim?&nbsp;[[User:Alshfik|Alshfik]] ([[User talk:Alshfik|talk]]) 17:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Alshfik}}. If you have made a good faith effort to find sources to verify the uncited claim without success, then go ahead and remove it with a brief comment about your search in the edit summary. No, you do not have to find a reliable source that contradicts it. Thst would be an unreasonably difficult standard. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 18:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Context matters, can you give a specific example? Search engine results can not be used as citations, it's up to you to find/use the [[WP:RS]] (if any) in the search engine result. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== Added bold, italics, and wikilinks ==

&nbsp;[[User:Ellikeefer25|Ellikeefer25]] ([[User talk:Ellikeefer25|talk]]) 18:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Ellikeefer25}} Did you mean to put this in an edit summary on a page or were you meaning to ask a question about how to do these things? [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 18:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== All edits are missing ==

Hello! I'm sorry if this seems trivial. I have frequently been using the feature where I can go to my preferences, see how many edits I have made, and then click the number and see all of my edits. Just to get back to someone's talk page, see if my edits are current, etc. However, just in the last hour or so all of my edits are gone. The number is still there but the edits themselves  are missing. Is this normal? Does it clear itself sometimes? Is there anyway to have them back? Thanks in advance for any clarity. <3&nbsp;<b>[[User:Plutobutbigger|Plutobutbigger]] :-)</b> 19:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Plutobutbigger}} I'm afraid I don't fully understand the situation, but you can see all of your past edits at [[Special:Contributions/Plutobutbigger]]. Whether the layout of whatever device/browser/style you are using to view Wikipedia has changed and removed the route that you might normally take to reach that page, I don't know. On an old desktop view, there's usually a "Contributions" button in the top right hand navigation bar, and on a more recent beta version the same place hosts a profile icon that brings up a dropdown menu with the same link label. Give as much information as you can if this doesn't answer your question. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 20:10, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Bilorv}} So sorry I was not thorough enough in my question. I can still access [[Special:Contributions/Plutobutbigger]] the same way I used to. However, instead of showing my edits it just says "No changes were found matching these criteria." as though I have never made an edit. <b>[[User:Plutobutbigger|Plutobutbigger]] :-)</b> 20:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::: I'm so sorry, I believe it was just glitched, as they are showing again now. I'm so sorry to have clogged this page. <b>[[User:Plutobutbigger|Plutobutbigger]] :-)</b> 20:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Plutobutbigger}} no need to apologise! If it was a glitch then that's not your fault at all, and questions are always welcome here. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 23:10, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== How do I create a disambiguation page? ==

I made an article for musician Gabriel Marin and want to make a disambiguation page for him and the rower with the same name. I can see the disambiguation guidelines and what to do with the page once it exists, but I'm not seeing how to *create* such a page in the first place, since it's not an article.&nbsp;[[User:Rinotodsop|Rinotodsop]] ([[User talk:Rinotodsop|talk]]) 23:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:As there are only two Gabriel Marins who have articles, you don't need a disambiguation page. Instead, have [[Template:About]] atop [[Gabriel Marin]], pointing to [[Gabriel Marin (musician)]]. (Incidentally, the referencing for the new article needs a lot of work. Example: "consider the source band bio". Please see [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]].) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:28, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== What are these? ==

What are discretionary sanctions? I have looked at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions the relevant article] and even from that, for example in the 'in a nutshell box' it talks about them, but it doesn't say what they actually are. [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 01:07, 17 September 2021
:It means that an administrator may enforce more restrictive rules on an article (like [[WP:1RR]] instead of [[WP:3RR]], or impose blocks or bans) at the administrator's discretion to preserve article stability, after the Arbitration Committee has approved that an article can have discretionary sanctions. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 01:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

==Help with RfC==
Hello, I have an RfC happening at [[Cardi B]] and I was wondering on how the discussion will end? Currently, the lead sounds like a list of achievements written by a fan, so I proposed an RfC that would clean up the lead and make it sound less [[WP:FLUFF]]-y. The issue is, the discussion hasn't gotten any attention in the past few days; what's my next best choice for closing said RfC? There's currently three support votes (one light, I don't know if that makes a difference) and three oppose votes, so it's 50/50 right now. How do I reintroduce activity and finally come to a conclusion with the RfC? Thank you.&nbsp;[[User:RogueShanghai|<span style="background-color: black; color:#ff5a5a; padding: 3px 4px 2px 4px;">'''''shanghai.'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:RogueShanghai|<span style="background-color: black; color:#ff5a5a; padding: 3px">talk to me</span>]]</sup> 02:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:RogueShanghai|RogueShanghai]] You can request for closure at [[Wikipedia:Closure requests]]. Please also note that RfC is [[WP:NOTVOTE|not vote (!vote)]]. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 02:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{reply to|Paper9oll}} Yes, I agree, as in my opinion the "support" votes showed stronger points rather than the oppose votes. Anyways, thanks and I'll file a closure request there. Thank you! [[User:RogueShanghai|<span style="background-color: black; color:#ff5a5a; padding: 3px 4px 2px 4px;">'''''shanghai.'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:RogueShanghai|<span style="background-color: black; color:#ff5a5a; padding: 3px">talk to me</span>]]</sup> 02:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::@[[User:RogueShanghai|RogueShanghai]] No problem. Happy editing! '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 02:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Paper9oll}}, the user writing this, RogueShanghai, who identifies as a member of the Barbz of [[Stan Twitter]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARogueShanghai&type=revision&diff=1017054017&oldid=1017053320 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ADoja_Cat&type=revision&diff=1036309724&oldid=1036306309 who uses this type of language][[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1071#Ignoring_WP:ONUS_and_potential_COI|has long had a problematic behavior]]. And [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1075#Suggestion|here is an Administrator noticing the inflamatory and negative edits by him towards articles about Cardi B]]. Here, is [[User_talk:Cullen328#Neutral_third_opinion|Cullen 328]] noticing RogueShanghai is a single-purpose account: promoting Nicki Minaj. The user has been reported in ANI 4 times for this behavior. And admin also suggested [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1075#Suggestion|the user should be banned from editing bios]] for his inflatamory edits on Cardi B's article. The vague lead section he's forcing on Cardi B's article is not a coincidence. [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 03:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{reply to|Cornerstonepicker}} I'm pretty sure that your reply constitutes obvious [[WP:HOUNDING]]. You have been called out by an editor for adding biased negative info about Nicki Minaj using an IP address [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cornerstonepicker/Archive#Cornerstonepicker|here]], and multiple other editors have noticed your bias against Nicki Minaj. In the same Cullen328 thread, he said that I have around 250~ edits on Nicki Minaj; I have 1,200 contributions to Wikipedia in general, so the math says otherwise on being a "Single purpose account" when the majority of my edits are not even about Nicki Minaj. You disruptively reverted a veteran editor's attempt to consolidate the fancruft-like Cardi B lead [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cardi_B&diff=prev&oldid=1044721940 here], and you disregarded me citing {{tpq|featured articles}} as examples to add negative information about Nicki Minaj, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicki_Minaj&diff=prev&oldid=1044528865&diffmode=source here.] Please stop the hounding. [[User:RogueShanghai|<span style="background-color: black; color:#ff5a5a; padding: 3px 4px 2px 4px;">'''''shanghai.'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:RogueShanghai|<span style="background-color: black; color:#ff5a5a; padding: 3px">talk to me</span>]]</sup> 03:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::@[[User:RogueShanghai|RogueShanghai]] Ok you're acussing me of what you do all the time, weeks ago you reverted {{u|Binksternet}} edit after a long RFC... such behavior hasn't changed at all, even when [[User_talk:Cornerstonepicker#Notice|on my talk page]] you said you were willing to change. [[User:Cornerstonepicker|Cornerstonepicker]] ([[User talk:Cornerstonepicker|talk]]) 03:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{reply to|Cornerstonepicker}} I have evidence on my part that people have called out your bias (and minor sockpuppetry) against Minaj since 2020; an entire year now. I said on your talk page that I want to change and I want to work with you collaboratively ''when'' you stop being so unnecessarily hostile and aggressive. However, this obvious [[WP:HOUNDING]] shows that you don't want to work collaboratively with me. [[User:RogueShanghai|<span style="background-color: black; color:#ff5a5a; padding: 3px 4px 2px 4px;">'''''shanghai.'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:RogueShanghai|<span style="background-color: black; color:#ff5a5a; padding: 3px">talk to me</span>]]</sup> 03:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Sandbox ==

Hi, so I moved [[User:Antrotherkus/Sandbox|my sandbox page]] to change the capitalization, but now the Sandbox shortcut at the top-right links to the redirect page instead of my actual sandbox. Is there a way to change this? (I use the Legacy Vector skin.)&nbsp;[[User:Antrotherkus|Antrotherkus]] ([[User talk:Antrotherkus|Talk to me!]]) 22:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Antrotherkus}} I'm not actually sure if there is a way to fix this other than to simply keep the incorrect capitalization. As far as I know there's no way to edit the Sandbox link in the top right. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 22:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Oh, that's too bad. Thanks anyway. [[User:Antrotherkus|Antrotherkus]] ([[User talk:Antrotherkus|Talk to me!]]) 23:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Antrotherkus}} You can add the below to {{yourjs}}. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::Oh I didn't actually think that stuff was modifiable. Now I know. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 02:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::[[JavaScript]] can do pretty much everything with a page in your own browser. It's a full programming language which can modify the viewed page. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 03:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::Oh, that's pretty cool. Thanks!  [[User:Antrotherkus|Antrotherkus]] ([[User talk:Antrotherkus|Talk to me!]]) 03:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript">
document.getElementById('pt-sandbox').getElementsByTagName('a')[0].setAttribute('href', 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Antrotherkus/Sandbox');
</syntaxhighlight>

== An unfortunate little beef between a user due to my constant edits. Helpful advice? ==

I am having some trouble with a user who stated that I could be blocked from editing. Let me briefly explain. I was trying to correct wrong information on a page about a certain subject. I didn't mean to anger the user, I just felt like adding my knowledge (which are indeed true facts.) Into the page. Unfortunately, I did a lot of edits. Which was not my intention. Which was by accident. I am new to the editing phase. But I would appreciate kind and helpful advice.&nbsp;[[User:Doge456|Doge456]] ([[User talk:Doge456|talk]]) 22:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{re|Doge456}} Welcome to Wikipedia.  Any information you add must come from reliable, published sources, and not from your personal knowledge.  I suggest you start a discussion on the article's talk page with your suggested changes and let other interested editors comment on it.  To get some experience editing, you may want to try the [[WP:TUTORIAL]] and the learning game at [[WP:ADVENTURE]]. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 23:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::I agree with RudolfRed, [[User:Doge456|Doge456]], you need to move the discussion off of user pages on to the article talk page. Disputes between two editors usually benefit from getting feedback from additional editors so it doesn't become a battle between two people with different points of view about the article. If no one comes to join in a discussion, think about posting to a relevant WikiProject to invite more editors to the discussion, in a completely neutral way. You are looking for more editors to participate in a discussion, not just people who will agree with you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 02:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{reply|Doge456}} I you have a content dispute with one other editor that cannot be resolved, [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]] is a good way to bring a third person in to break the tie. That's just one of several dispute resolution methods available. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 04:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Transclusion Citation Help ==

I'm attempting to help out by fixing some [[:Category:Pages with broken reference names]] and have run into a wall with a transcluded article. [[Uruguay v Brazil (1950 FIFA World Cup)]] is transcluded to [[1950 FIFA World Cup final round]] which is transcluded to [[1950 FIFA World Cup]]. There's a reference on the original page that has a refname in the transcluded section, which I see is a common citation error. I've moved this reference name definition '''inside the transcluded section''', but an error still appears on the two following pages. Would appreciate some guidance around how to fix  this issue.&nbsp;[[User:BeReasonabl|BeReasonabl]] ([[User talk:BeReasonabl|talk]]) 04:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:BeReasonabl|BeReasonabl]], welcome to the Teahouse. I currently see no such error. It can take some time for an edit to be reflected in pages with transclusion. A [[WP:PURGE|purge]] can fix it right away. [[WP:BYPASS|Bypass]] your cache if you still see it. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 04:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{reply to|PrimeHunter}} oh, of course. My apologies for wasting your time PrimeHunter, I have refreshed my cache and see it now. Thanks for your help. [[User:BeReasonabl|BeReasonabl]] ([[User talk:BeReasonabl|talk]]) 05:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Request for upload photo ==

{{moved from|[[WP:AN]]|2=[[User:ToBeFree (mobile)|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree (mobile)|talk]]) 05:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)}}

I want to upload biography photo.So please allow me to upload photo. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Asif Khoso|Asif Khoso]] ([[User talk:Asif Khoso#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Asif Khoso|contribs]]) 04:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)</span>
:Hello, {{u|Asif Khoso}}. Who took the photo? How long ago? When and where was it first published? What does it show? If it shows a person, is that person dead or alive? Who owns the copyright? All these questions show that this is a very complicated question with many possible answers. You must be very careful. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 06:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Asif Khoso}}  If you took the photo, you can use the [[Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard]], but follow the instructions on that page: "Please ensure you understand [[Wikipedia:Copyrights|copyright]] and the [[Wikipedia:Image use policy|image use policy]] before proceeding."  If you did not take the photo but know who did, have them read [[Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials]].  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 05:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== A question. ==

I trying to create a page of a book but got rejection. Not sure what I have done wrong.&nbsp;[[User:Himanshu Arvind Kapadia|Himanshu Arvind Kapadia]] ([[User talk:Himanshu Arvind Kapadia|talk]]) 13:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:Himanshu Arvind Kapadia/sandbox]] is an unreferenced description of a book you wrote. It was rejected, and then nominated for Speedy deletion, meaning that soon it will be gone, with no record in your Contributions history of ever having existed. Wikipedia 'articles' (not 'pages') are limited to what people not connected to the subject have published. You describing your book does not meet Wikipedia's definition of confirming notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Himanshu Arvind Kapadia}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  For more information, please see [[Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide]] and [[Wikipedia:Notability (books)]].  Hope this helps!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 05:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

==about Bangladesh Liberation War Rawandan Genocide==

Hello wikipedia editors I was reading about the Bangladesh liberation war Rawandan genocide. When I read this because Pakistan they're just a bunch of brown goddamn Moslems. First that is racist. Secondly wrong information they were Bengalians. And you wrote Muslims wrong you wrote moslems. &nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/177.135.242.26|177.135.242.26]] ([[User talk:177.135.242.26|talk]]) 18:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:You probably saw the result of some vandalism. The words you mention are not currently present in [[Bangladesh Liberation War]] or [[Rawandan Genocide]]. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 19:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:I see the phrase as part of a quote from Richard Nixon in the article [[1971 Bangladesh genocide#US complicity]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 05:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Request To Add BlueLock to the Article [[Kabir Singh]] ==

Hello Everyone at Teahouse, I need to do a request. can someone please add a BLUELOCK to the article Kabir Singh. as people are making wrong edits to the article which is totally illegal like many of the anonymous editors are removing the names of original Music Composers and Actors so this is my appeal to please add a bluelock to the article told above.&nbsp;[[User:BeingAlwaysHappy|BeingAlwaysHappy]] ([[User talk:BeingAlwaysHappy|talk]]) 05:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:[[WP:Requests for page protection/Increase]] is where you should be requesting semi-protection (10/4, greylock). XCP (500/30, bluelock) is ''grossly'' excessive since the edits seem to be being made by IPs and fresh accounts.  —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Jéské Couriano]]</small></sup> 05:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Can't add edit summaries ??? ==

Why can't I add edit summaries when editing my own talk page? [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:29, 16 September 2021<br>
Edit: I can't add edit summaries to this article anymore either, but I could 10 mins ago, idk what's going on. [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)<br>
Edit 2: Just as I was about to post this I see I can add edit summaries. Is this a bug? [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)<br>
Edit 3: I didn't sign those posts twice. That was also a bug. [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Speedcuber1}} <small>(I like your new sig)</small> You should be able to, I don't see what would prevent you from doing so. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 23:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)<br>
Edit 3: I didn't sign those posts twice. That was also a bug. [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Blaze The Wolf}} I don't know what's causing it to happen either. [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 23:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::I avoid using the WYSIWYG editor for many reasons. This may be one more. I always use the source editor. It isn't hard. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 01:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{replyto|Anachronist}} If you mean the visual editor, AFAICT from their contribution history tags, the OP has never used it. I'm not sure problems that have occurred exclusively on the source editor are a reason to avoid the visual editor, but okay I guess..... (The OP has used the mobile web editor but not since 2019. They've also used Twinkle although the edits here where the signature problem occurred didn't seem to use it.) [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 06:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::I should clarify that for the signature problem, it seems clear it must be something occurring in the desktop source editor. For the edit summary problem, I guess it's possible the OP is using the visual editor (or whatever), sees there's no edit summary and starts using the source editor. It seems very weird to me the OP didn't notice this was happening or if it was, they didn't think to mention it. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 07:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Speedcuber1}} from your comments at AN [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1044774119], are you saying you get duplicated signatures on 70% of your posts? [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 07:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Seeking wise counsel and guidance ==

How do we gauge an esports team? - A sports team [[WP:NSPORTS]] or a company [[WP:NCORP]]?. As of now, we are following this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)&oldid=461851999#Statement_to_exclude_Esports_from_this_guideline statement] as a yardstick at an ongoing AfD discussion -[[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stalwart_Esports_(2nd_nomination)|Stalwart Esports]]. We are having a crucial discussion on the notability of this particular entity and there is a bit of a different opinion (but natural). As a nominator, I tried to add the AfD at the relevant WikiProject  page - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/eSports/afd/2021]] - to generate a wider consensus. Simultaneously I'm raising this question at TEA for quick and able guidance. Thanks in advance.&nbsp;-[[User:Hatchens|Hatchens]] ([[User talk:Hatchens|talk]]) 04:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:IMO{{pb}}In the absence of a specific guideline, it's always [[WP:GNG]] that we should be evaluating on. NCORP is just GNG with teeth because most of the time people will count all kinds of weak sources for GNG, which we may tolerate for mundane topics but we can't for organisations that have the will and the money to attack our integrity for their gain. The AFD will have to try to come to consensus by itself on (a) whether an esports team is a corporation that needs to meet NCORP; and whether the sources available meet it and (b) whether GNG (as a possibly weaker version of NCORP) is met and that is sufficient.{{pb}}There's a good case for it being an organisation, as that's what the article says, and it seems to meet the criteria given at NCORP's lead. '''[[Special:Contributions/Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]]''' 06:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Usedtobecool}}, thanks for providing the clarity. I would like to suggest - we should explore creating a wikipedia project on eSports and address these kind of issues by formulating proper guidelines. I'm keen to participate in such project. - [[User:Hatchens|Hatchens]] ([[User talk:Hatchens|talk]]) 07:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Hatchens|Hatchens]] You could try to start a discussion about that, perhaps at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports]], and "advertise" ([[WP:APPNOTE]]]) the discussion at [[Talk:Esports]] and some of the wikiprojects listed there. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{u|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}}, sure. Thanks for the support (including the navigational one). Let me initiate the discussion over there. - [[User:Hatchens|Hatchens]] ([[User talk:Hatchens|talk]]) 09:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Regarding to unblocking our site to wikipedia blocklist  ==

My site name is chillibollywood.com,Which is now existing in wikipedia blacklist. please tell me how can i remove website to the blacklist.&nbsp;[[User:Chillibollywood|Chillibollywood]] ([[User talk:Chillibollywood|talk]]) 06:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:You can ask at [[MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed removals]], but note that the admins there '''''will not''''' remove a website from the blacklist at the behest of the site owner.  —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Jéské Couriano]]</small></sup> 07:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
*Furthermore, {{U|Chillibollywood}}, please refrain from marking your edits as as minor when they introduce new text, and please refrain from "correcting grammar mistakes" in edits that actually ''introduce'' grammar errors
*:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Junoon_(1994_TV_series)&diff=prev&oldid=1044439652&diffmode=source this sentence is missing a verb]
*:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philippine_dwarf_kingfisher&diff=prev&oldid=1044439305&diffmode=source "family of" is dubious, a verb is missing, and there are no capitals inside English sentences]
*:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hatim_(TV_series)&diff=prev&oldid=1044438561&diffmode=source "that’s" in this context would refer to the director rather than the work]
:(I might be mistaken about some of those since I am not a native English speaker and have no familiarity with Indian English, but I would be shocked if half of those are indeed correct.) It is okay to not write the best English, other people can correct it, but do not misrepresent it in edit summaries. [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)</span>]]</sup> 12:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Should I add a commons category "Domestic idylls" to "Art by Genre"? ==

It seems to me that none of the existing categories included in Commons Category:Art by genre include a common type of Victorian art, domestic idylls such as these images [[:Image:Skredsvig Idyll.png]] [[:Image:Nova Scotia scenery LCCN2002710682.jpg]] Although mainly Victorian, this genre continues with [[Thomas Kinkade]]. Do you support adding this category? [[User:Downtowngal|Downtowngal]] ([[User talk:Downtowngal|talk]]) 22:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Downtowngal|Downtowngal]] ([[User talk:Downtowngal|talk]]) 22:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Downtowngal|Downtowngal]] welcome to the Teahouse. Actually, I don't think that's a good idea at all, and I wouldn't support it. My rationale would be that it is incredibly subjective. Who defines what is an 'idyll'? Unless 'domestic idyll' is a specific genre, with its own definition and criteria for inclusion, such categorisation would be [[WP:OR]], and not acceptable here. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 23:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Downtowngal. In addition to what Nick Moyes posted above, it's also important to remember that Commons and Wikipedia are really separate projects with their own policies and guidelines. So, before creating any new categories over at Commons, you might want to look at [[:c:COM:Categories]] for some general guidance and then perhaps seek additional input at [[:c:COM:Help desk]]. Commons is a gloabl project which provides images for all Wikimedia Foundation projects (including all the various non-English Wikipedias); so, there might some differences in how categories are created on Commons and how they are created here on English Wikipedia. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Downtowngal}}. I did a Google Books search and it looks to me like that term is applied mostly to literature including novels and poetry but I do not see reliable sources applying it to paintings or visual art. Maybe you are aware of sources that I did not find. Claiming that a painting genre extends from the Victorian Era in Norway and Canada to a late 20th century/early 21st century commercialized American artist like Thomas Kinkade is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. You cannot make that connection yourself. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 06:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Thank you all for the valuable feedback. It's exactly what I wanted. I do point out that Rosemary Treble's work [[https://www.routledge.com/The-Rural-Idyll/Mingay/p/book/9781138744400]] is cited on [[Idyll]] and it is clear to me that the romanticized or idealized domestic realm was a popular type of Victorian prints and paintings. (This is what Kinkade recapitulated.) However, this type of art may be too localized to the English-speaking world for a rather short period to merit its own category. I'll check out advice on Commons. Thanks again. [[User:Downtowngal|Downtowngal]] ([[User talk:Downtowngal|talk]]) 14:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC) 
:I'm surprised that anyone would consider Skredsvig Idyll.png and Kinkade's well-known "Painter of Light" works to be in the same genre. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 07:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

== De/unblocking account Mmerocknroll  ==

Hello! I was personally approached by the editor [[User talk:Mmerocknroll|Mmerocknroll]] , whose account has been blocked on the English Wikipedia. Being an unexperienced editor first an account with the name Smartlivinglab was created, that was blocked because no COI was given. So a new account was created coming from the same IP and block as well. This is all unfortunate, but won't happen again, as I have now instructed the editor how to state the COI on both the article concerned and on the user page. Is there a way to unblock? Thanks for your advices!&nbsp;[[User:Quaenuncabibis|Quaenuncabibis]] ([[User talk:Quaenuncabibis|talk]]) 13:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{reply|Quaenuncabibis}} If you want to advocate for a blocked user, do it on the user talk page where there is already a pending appeal, so that an administrator reviewing the appeal can also see your words. That won't happen if you do it on this Teahouse page. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 14:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Where is a place to chat on Wikipedia? ==

Where is a Wikipedia page to chat? <br>
Give me the link.&nbsp;[[User:Orrinpants|Orrinpants]] ([[User talk:Orrinpants|talk]]) 13:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Orrinpants}} You might be looking for [[WP:IRC]] or [[WP:DISCORD]] {{p}} ~[[User:TheresNoTime|TNT]] (she/they • [[User talk:TheresNoTime|talk]]) 13:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Orrinpants}} Saying 'please' is always a nice thing to do, and your post came across as rather blunt. But please also remember Wikipedia's IRC channel is not a chat forum, but is purely for discussing matters directly related to Wikipedia, and nothing else. See [[WP:NOTSOCIAL]] for further explanation of this. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 14:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== What happens in Wikipedia??? ==

Hello

I'm writing this while being in a very high level of anger and frustration !!!!

After getting my breakfast, a few minutes ago, I checked Wikipedia and found a disaster (yes a BIG DISASTER)

{{User|Athaenara}} deleted, according to his personal impression, all the pages I created last 2 days, as I got time, motivation and energy to write articles here in one of the fields I like the most, which is business

The pages are:
[[Ismael Belkhayat]]
[[Chari.ma]]
[[Sarouty.ma]]

I expect that he thought that because I created the entrepreneur and after that his companies pages, it means I am connected with him or paid for this...

WHY WILL YOU DESTROY ALL MY EFFORTS IN ONE CLICK RELYING ON EXPECTATIONS !!! THIS MEANS I JUST WASTED MY TIME LAST 2 DAYS !!! I would instead have done something else....


If you think there are dishonest editors here, try to find them with other methods and make sure that they are paid or connected... Don't rely on personal judgements!!

All the pages I created are well referenced (according to Wikipedia policies) and well written. Why would you destroy the pride I felt yesterday for nothing !!!!!

Please Stop it ! Stop it ! Stop it !

Sorry for the tone (I am really angry) and thanks for reading.--[[User:Art&#38;football|Art&#38;football]] ([[User talk:Art&#38;football|talk]]) 11:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Art&#38;football|Art&#38;football]] ([[User talk:Art&#38;football|talk]]) 11:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:All three, [[User:Art&#38;football|Art&#38;football]], were deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". I looked at one, Ismael Belkhayat. It looks to me rather like a CV. The lead paragraph reads (amid a plethora of references): {{Olive|'''Ismael Belkhayat''' (born November 20, 1983, in [[Rabat]]) is a Moroccan entrepreneur. He is the founder and CEO of the start up studio Wib.co, a web incubator in [[Morocco]]. He is also the brother of [[Moncef Belkhayat]], former Minister of Youth and Sports in Morocco.}} I can't see how being an entrepreneur, being the founder and CEO of a company that itself doesn't have an article here, being somebody's brother, or any combination of these three confers notability. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 11:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{user|Hoary}} Did you check the sources? It's what you actually have to check. Also, is there any policy that requires that an entrepreneur's company must have a page in Wikipedia to see his own page approved? Second, is it not useful to put this info (Minister brother) in the page?--[[User:Art&#38;football|Art&#38;football]] ([[User talk:Art&#38;football|talk]]) 12:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::No, [[User:Art&#38;football|Art&#38;football]], I haven't checked the sources. (There are a great many of them, and my time is limited.) But as I read the opening paragraph, I couldn't understand how this man was notable in the normal (non-Wikipedia) sense of the word. Is his primary claim to notability being the founder and CEO of Wib.co? If so, perhaps create an article on Wib.co first; if not, then what is his primary claim to notability? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::[[User:Art&#38;football|Art&#38;football]], I think you have things a little backwards.  Maybe the Minister warrants an article.  And if there's an article on the Minister and it discusses the Minister's family, MAYBE it's appropriate to name the Minister's brother.  But that doesn't mean the Minister's brother warrants an article, simply for BEING the Minister's brother. [[User:AzseicsoK|Uporządnicki]] ([[User talk:AzseicsoK|talk]]) 12:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{user|AzseicsoK}} Hello I didn't say that. I already know that being someone's brother, father, husband...doesn't give notability. I just said that this info is useful to be in the page. That's all! Ismael Belkhayat notability can be prooved by the press sources that I provided. Did you get it?--[[User:Art&#38;football|Art&#38;football]] ([[User talk:Art&#38;football|talk]]) 12:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
*{{re|Art&#38;football}} First of all, it is [[WP:DRUNK|strongly advised not to edit while undergoing strong emotions]].
:If you think the deletions were erroneous, the thing to do would be to discuss them with the deleting administrator first <small>(by the way, Athaenara is a she, which can be determined either from reading her userboxes or using the template {{tlx|gender|Athaenara}} that produces "{{gender|Athaenara}}")</small>. I see you [[User_talk:Athaenara#Explanation|started doing that]] in parallel of the Teahouse thread.
:While it is OK to have many references in an article, [[WP:BOMBARD|do not put many references to create an illusion of notability]]. Quality trumps quantity; if someone disagrees that the sources support notability, I suggest you pick out the best three sources to discuss based on them. (See also: [[WP:THREE]].) [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)</span>]]</sup> 12:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::<small>I didn't even know there was a template to see someone's gender.</small> ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 12:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::<small>It is not magic: it uses the "gender used in messages" preference set at [[Special:Preferences]], which some people leave on neutral, intentionally or not. [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)</span>]]</sup> 13:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)</small>
::::<small>I knew that. I just didn't know the template existed.</small> ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 14:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{user|Tigraan}} Yes I am trying to discuss with her. And I know it is advised not to edit while under emotions but sorry I couldn't hold myself--[[User:Art&#38;football|Art&#38;football]] ([[User talk:Art&#38;football|talk]]) 13:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{U|Art&football}}, here is a parable:
::"I spent a lot of time and effort building a house, and it fell down! I'm really angry because my work is wasted."
::"I'm sorry for you; but perhaps it would have been a good idea to learn about housebuilding before you tried something so big and complicated." 
:Of course, writing an article is not as big and complicated as building a house; but it is a lot harder than many people realise. Furthermore, there are regulations about article writing just as there are about housebuilding: see the [[WP:5 pillars|5 pillars]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== remove stubs or unreferenced on [[Kaoru Kakudo]] ==

[[Kaoru Kakudo]] contains both [[Template|Unreferenced]] (at wrong location) and 3 stubs. my first impression after reading about unreference is to remove it. article is not too short but it is brief. moreover, if stubs and unreferenced contain, which should i remove (priority)?&nbsp;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|Brāhmī]] • [[:wikidata:User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:#000000">tagboard</span>]]&nbsp; • (always start discussion using <code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|ashtamatrikas]]&#125;&#125;</code>) 12:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Ideally, you should find and add references. If there are none to be found, you could propose the article be deleted. I did a quickie search and did not find any useful refs. Som eexist, but those were copies of the Wikipedia article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|David notMD}} good idea. i will bookmark this and come back later for the best course of action (perhaps pinging article creator for his/her sources?). i have no intention to propose deletion, this might be part of women in red or something similar initiative. [[User:Ashtamatrikas|Brāhmī]] • [[:wikidata:User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:#000000">tagboard</span>]]&nbsp; • (always start discussion using <code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|ashtamatrikas]]&#125;&#125;</code>) 15:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::The creator (2009) has since been indefinitely blocked. P.S. To 'sign' your edits, type four of ~ at the end. The u| is just another way of doing a ping. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{ping|David notMD}} i am always signing with 4 tilders. perhaps my signature is looking like text or it does not standout. i complain about something and will move on. i will check my complaints or queries only twice a day or if someone pings. [[User:Ashtamatrikas|Brāhmī]] • [[:wikidata:User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:#000000">tagboard</span>]]&nbsp; • (always start discussion using <code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|ashtamatrikas]]&#125;&#125;</code>) 16:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::::: {{U|Ashtamatrikas}}, what you've set in your signature is confusing. It is not obvious that that "Brahmi" bit is a link to your user page, I would have no idea what the "tagboard" bit meant if I didn't read the source (I see it's to your Wikidata User talk page, which will confuse anybvoy who thinks they're going to your Wikipedia user talk page) and the exhortation at the end, though it makes sense, looks as if that's the bit that is your signature. Please simplify it. . --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::{{re|ColinFine}} done. –[[User:Ashtamatrikas|Ashtamatrikas]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|talk]]) 15:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Processing draft ==

Hello! User "Nomadicghumakkad" was helping process my draft of an entry about Baltimore Fishbowl. After I addressed their questions and made necessary revisions, they told me that they tried to process it but were not able to for some reason, and they suggested that I seek assistance from the Teahouse. Can you help process the Baltimore Fishbowl draft? Thank you!&nbsp;[[User:BaltimoreReporter|BaltimoreReporter]] ([[User talk:BaltimoreReporter|talk]]) 11:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
*In the context of [[User_talk:Nomadicghumakkad#Baltimore_Fishbowl]], I believe {{U|Nomadicghumakkad}} meant that they cannot understand the long-winded post you made discussing the sources, not that they have technical difficulties with draft approval.
:I think one source of confusion is that there are two reasons to use sources in an article. The first reason is to show "notability", in this case as defined by [[WP:NMEDIA]], without which no article should exist; this requires generally sources that are simultaneously independent of the subject, reliable, and deal with the subject at length. Once this bar is passed, you may use sources to justify statements in the article; these sources need only be reliable, which is a weaker constraint. The problem is that you presented a source that does not deal with the radio station itself at length as if it supported a claim to notability; it does not, but it can stay, if the article is accepted based on other sources.
:Can you list the three sources that in your opinion support the best a case for notability (again, as outlined by [[WP:NMEDIA]])? No need to summarize them for us (we can read), if they are online a bare URL will suffice. See [[WP:THREE]] for why you should list few sources (in short: quality trumps quantity, if you cannot find three that make a half-decent case, one hundred will not help). [[User:Tigraan|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#008000;">Tigraan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Tigraan|<span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)</span>]]</sup> 13:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

::Thank you for that clarification. I misunderstood before. Here are the three sources which demonstrate Baltimore Fishbowl's notability: 
::*http://www.bmoremedia.com/features/baltfishbowl012412.aspx, 
::*https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2019/02/14/ken-ulman-former-sun-editor-partner-with-baltimore.html, 
::*https://www.marylandmatters.org/blog/bold-faced-names-add-money-and-heft-to-baltimore-fishbowl/
::[[User:BaltimoreReporter|BaltimoreReporter]] ([[User talk:BaltimoreReporter|talk]]) 14:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BaltimoreReporter|BaltimoreReporter]] I'm afraid none of those sources indicate notability to me. They are purely promotional pieces about the newspaper, and are not significant enough to base a decision of notability on, so I see little to no chance of your draft being approved unless more independent and major news outlets have written in detail and in depth about this business. Sorry. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 15:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. May I ask what are the standards for distinguishing between coverage that is "promotional" versus "notable"? The three sources that I provided are independent/unaffiliated with Baltimore Fishbowl. The piece from BmoreMedia covers how Fishbowl was founded, what readers can expect, etc. And the other two pieces (from Baltimore Business Journal and Maryland Matters) discuss updates about the website, including who is funding it. I believe those news articles are informational, not promotional. To me, promotional means advertising and those articles do not appear to be paid for. Ultimately, I respect your decision. I just want to make sure I fully understand in case additional articles are written about Fishbowl in the future.[[User:BaltimoreReporter|BaltimoreReporter]] ([[User talk:BaltimoreReporter|talk]]) 15:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:We want sources that establish notability to be completely independently written. Interviews and articles that are clearly rewritten from press releases are generally held not to qualify. - [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 15:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|BaltimoreReporter}} There is no difference between "informational" and "promotional" on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not for merely providing information. We're interested in what others choose on their own to say about the website, not what it says about itself or what it considers to be its own history. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Got it. Yes, I think my confusion originated because I was using Wikipedia pages of other local digital websites (e.g. Baltimore Brew, Baltimore Magazine) as templates for this one. I did not realize that Wikipedia's notability standards had changed since those pages were made. Thank you again for the clarification and education. I really appreciate it. Have a nice day![[User:BaltimoreReporter|BaltimoreReporter]] ([[User talk:BaltimoreReporter|talk]]) 15:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Hip Hop Group Public Enemy  ==

I am a member of the historic group Public Enemy but I don't see my name or other group members names who do I talk too to get it fixed&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/47.20.180.167|47.20.180.167]] ([[User talk:47.20.180.167|talk]]) 15:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:You first gather independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that describe your membership in the group, as we cannot just take your word for it. Take those sources to the article talk page, where you can make a formal [[WP:ER|edit request]]. Please also review [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Other People on My Talk Page ==

Hi, today I reverted someone's edit from the Recent Changes page as I have been doing for a few days. They had stated in their Edit Summary that they did not understand why their Edit had already been reverted by someone else. So when I reverted it (there was no source for the added content), I left a note on their talk page explaining why I did so. They are now leaving very accusatory and rude messages on my talk page. I responded to the first message very kindly, explaining again why I reverted their edit and even gave some sources so they could learn about sourcing on Wikipedia. They then left another very hostile message in response. What can I do about this? Is there anywhere to report it? Thanks! <b>[[User:Plutobutbigger|Plutobutbigger]] :-)</b> 20:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Plutobutbigger}} Hey Pluto! Glad to see another anti-vandalism user. Their responses weren't nearly as bad as I thought they were from what you said (although I don't really like them saying "Gestapo power trip" to you and saying that you're policing articles). What you really should've done is explained your reason for reverting the edit in your edit summary (if it was too big for an edit summary then you can simply put in the edit summary: "reason for revert left on user's talk page"). Not really sure what the severity of what they said is so I'll let someone else be the judge of that. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 21:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Blaze The Wolf}} Thank you for the advice for next time! I will keep in mind that I can leave more of a reason in the edit summary (though I did put "Unsourced" in the edit summary, I could have said more). The part I am the most concerned about is them implying that I am willfully discouraging new editors, when I myself am a new editor. I don't want anyone to see it on my talk page and assume things about me. Am I being dramatic? Do people not pay attention to talk pages like that? Do I have to leave it on my talk page? Thank you so much! <b>[[User:Plutobutbigger|Plutobutbigger]] :-)</b> 21:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Plutobutbigger}} You can remove it on your talkpage if you want. There's nothing preventing you from doing so. Also, unsourced is plenty for your revert reason. I see that you are wondering what the correct terminology instead of "vandalism" would be. Saying their edits were "unconstructive" would be better, or simply telling them (again) that you reverted their edit because they did not provide a source for it and you explained exactly that in your edit summary. Also them saying "Happy CVUing" makes no sense because CVU is short for [[WP:Counter-Vandalism Unit|Counter-Vandalism Unit]]. If you'd like I could help you out in figuring out what is an isn't vandalism. Just let me know on my talk page and I will do my best to help. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 21:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:I've only looked quickly, {{U|Plutobutbigger}}, but it's not surprising that somebody might get aggressive when you accuse them unjustly of [[WP:vandalism|vandalism]]: Vandalism is editing intended to damage Wikipedia: good faith edits, however mistaken, are never vandalism. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|ColinFine}} That makes a lot of sense. I did not realize I was using the wrong word. However, I did not use vandalism until they had already been on my talk page. I will look further into the right terminology for these types of situations, I would never want to offend. <b>[[User:Plutobutbigger|Plutobutbigger]] :-)</b> 21:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Hey, Pluto! I have left an explanatory note for the other editor on your talk page. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 13:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Nick Moyes}} Thank you!! <b>[[User:Plutobutbigger|Plutobutbigger]] :-)</b> 16:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== How to stop misuse by kid or mentally impaired ==

A user, PerpetuityGrat, has registered and set up a [[User:PerpetuityGrat|user page]] etc., all for the purpose of playing a very infantile prank ("[[Rickrolling]]") on whoever clicks on any and all of his links. It must be either a young kid, or somebody mentally impaired (not technically though). How can this "game" be stopped? It's been going on for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PerpetuityGrat&offset=&limit=500&action=history over half a year] now. It's not harmful, just painfully silly, w/o a trace of being funny. And I know funny when I see it. Misusing WP isn't even the issue. Don't want to get them the impression that they're in some "serious fight with the adults" either, that would miss the point and start a cascade of new accounts, more giggling teenagers joining in and so forth. Thanks, [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 19:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Arminden}} I don't really see the problem since it doesn't link to the actual Youtube video but simply just [[WP:RICKROLL]] and [[Rickroll]]. Although I will let the user know that it would be a good idea to place one of the templates that indicate content is meant to be humorous, that way people don't get confused. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 19:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

::{{ping|Arminden}} you're really going to call me a "kid or mentally impaired" in a public setting? Grow up? I thanked you for rectifying an edit and you make this post? LOL. I'm a wikignome... I'm not going to boast about my edits or anything absurd. It's humor. And it's cowardice and kind of pathetic that you didn't even address me. Real sad. --[[User:PerpetuityGrat|PerpetuityGrat]] ([[User talk:PerpetuityGrat|talk]]) 19:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|PerpetuityGrat}} Please remember to be nice. Comments like these can be seen as personal attacks. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 20:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{reply|Blaze The Wolf}} But it's not a personal attack to call me a kid, mentally impaired, or a teenager? And my comments were clearly aimed at the actions of the user, not the user themselves. They called me, an editor, a kid, mentally impaired, and a teenager... in a public forum... --[[User:PerpetuityGrat|PerpetuityGrat]] ([[User talk:PerpetuityGrat|talk]]) 20:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|PerpetuityGrat}} While I do agree that Arminden shouldn't have called you mentally impaired (calling someone a kid or teen isn't really much of a personal attack), telling someone to "Grow up" can be seen as a personal attack. Please take a look at [[WP:PERSONALATTACK]]. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 20:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Blaze The Wolf}} gotcha, I apologize for using the term "grow up" and using that as a personal attack in response to being called "mentally impaired" over humor on my userpage. --[[User:PerpetuityGrat|PerpetuityGrat]] ([[User talk:PerpetuityGrat|talk]]) 20:12, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|PerpetuityGrat}} I suggest you try and work this out with Arminden who you appear to have issues with. I am remvoing myself from this situation after I make this reply in order to prevent myself from doing something I will regret. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 20:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

{{ping|Blaze The Wolf}} thanks, but it ''is'' a problem, as now I've got at least the 3rd "alert" from him in about half an hour. It's time-consuming, blocks my alert system, and does end up being annoying. So a "please don't" is worse than nothing, it's what he revels in. That's what he's built the whole trap for. He needs to be closed down, but with an explanation that - is it called sock-puppeteering? - will be detected and stopped. Don't let him feel important, that's the only rule here, or he'll start harassing you too and everybody else he can find. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 20:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Arminden}} I'm sorry, who are you? Why did you just call me a "kid" and "mentally impaired." Honestly, how dare you? Why would you do this? I should report you for that. I have never seen any type of personal attack like this in my entire time on here, and I am gravely offended. --[[User:PerpetuityGrat|PerpetuityGrat]] ([[User talk:PerpetuityGrat|talk]]) 20:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
{{ec|3}} {{Ping|Arminden}} do not suggest that an editor has mental impairments on Wikipedia, ever (unless the editor has described themselves as having them). It's also extremely rude to say that someone must be a child because of their humour. In any case, I fail to see the issue here. Some children/teenagers are able to edit Wikipedia successfully (I did myself, and I know several current excellent Wikipedians who I think are children), and jokes on a userpage are fine. I used to have a rickroll joke on mine for a long time. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 20:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:The issue is, other users aren't finding the jokes on their userpage funny (implying they created pages only for them to link to [[Rickroll]] isn't very funny) and one user in particular ([[User:Bbb23]]) has asked them to remove it, and Perpetuity didn't give any reasoning as to why they don't want to remove it and didn't seem to try and find a compromise. I'm doing my best to stay neutral in this situation as well. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 20:12, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::I will note that I asked [[User:Bbb23]] for a policy to point to and they never referred to one. I was unfamiliar with [[WP:HUMOR]] until today. It would have been much more prudent to have been shown that guideline rather than finding out that someone called me mentally impaired in the Teahouse... --[[User:PerpetuityGrat|PerpetuityGrat]] ([[User talk:PerpetuityGrat|talk]]) 20:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
{{ping|Blaze The Wolf}}, you've totally fallen into the trap. I've warned you not to. Did you check his [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PerpetuityGrat&offset=&limit=500&action=history list of "contributions"]? 7 months only "working" on his own user page, referweshing the "trap". Humour is supposed to be funny, this is just silly and sad. For him fun means: being taken seriously. And you have. A [[WikiGnome]] is smb doing useful edits; he's only fixing his trap. The rest is "playing the game", i.e. "playing the stupid editors" who are blind enough to enter the "game", after him learning a few WP terms and rules, and having fun at pretending. WP is meant to inform, it's not a gaming platform. A very clear case of WP misuse. So if you don't have the authority or intention to close him down, I suggest you don't get further entangled in this. Sorry I brought you in. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 20:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{reply|Arminden}} I don't even understand what you're talking about. The humor on my userpage has been deleted... How am I fixing my trap? You slandered my image as an editor.. I just don't even understand. You literally called me mentally impaired on a site that I frequently try to improve. This is all very discouraging for me. --[[User:PerpetuityGrat|PerpetuityGrat]] ([[User talk:PerpetuityGrat|talk]]) 20:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

An apology: I mistook the edit history of his own user page for his contribution list, which is actually [[Special:Contributions/PerpetuityGrat|this]]. My mistake, sorry. He might be a gnome, that mainly means: he's editing too, not just making attempts at being funny. I still don't appreciate being showered with alerts, but that's a different ballgame. So I'm stepping back now and waiting to see if he intends to stop. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 20:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Arminden}} I thanked you for an edit I found in recent changes, then I pinged you in this discussion. I may have pinged you another time, but I don't see how that warrants calling me mentally impaired and assuming that I'm some giggling teenager. I literally thanked you for an edit, then all of a sudden I learn that someone called me out at the Teahouse. I don't see how in any way I conceivably annoyed you by showering you with (two, at most three) alerts, when you made a post here about me. And now you're waiting to see if I'm going to shower you with alerts again? Idk how you confused my userpage history with my contribution history, but that small mistake was completely overblown and resulted in this nonsense, and somehow I'm the bad guy. I'm terribly sorry for all of this. This entire experience has made me feel wholly unwelcome. --[[User:PerpetuityGrat|PerpetuityGrat]] ([[User talk:PerpetuityGrat|talk]]) 16:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|PerpetuityGrat}} I would advise dropping the conversation. Arminden has decided to step back and so has basically everyone else. I suggest you follow suit as well. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 16:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Wiki Data Help ==

I want to add english (enwiki)Article on wikdata but after placing the link it's saying
A page "en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/(aticle name)" could not be found on "enwiki".&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2409:4060:2E92:7982:645B:2EA7:362D:2DF2|2409:4060:2E92:7982:645B:2EA7:362D:2DF2]] ([[User talk:2409:4060:2E92:7982:645B:2EA7:362D:2DF2|talk]]) 16:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
: It sounds as if you've tried to input a URL when what it's looking for is just the article name. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 16:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== May i create [[Shadab Chauhan]] as it was deleted before ==

May i create the article named [[Shadab Chauhan]] that was deleted before because it was created by a [[blocked]] or [[banned]] user&nbsp;[[User:Sheikh911|Sheikh911]] ([[User talk:Sheikh911|talk]]) 12:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Sheikh911}} you can, in the sense that it's not prohibited. I would note that having been deleted already, you will want to make sure that even your under-construction work doesn't look promotional at any stage [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 12:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you {{U| Nosebagbear}}
I will create it nicely.
[[User:Sheikh911|Sheikh911]] ([[User talk:Sheikh911|talk]]) 12:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:Wait! You, yourself, Sheikh911, are indefinitely blocked, and creating an article about that person requires an extended confirmed editor. Teahouse hosts do not have the authority to lift the block. [[Special:Contributions/37.205.39.149|37.205.39.149]] ([[User talk:37.205.39.149|talk]]) 16:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Review process vs different sandboxes ==

Hello Tea House,

I have created an article in my main sandbox but whenever I log in to my account, an old draft version appears by default. 
1)How can we manage the different versions of sandboxes or at least get the main sandbox to appear by default? 

2) Then, once I have initiated the review process, can I make minor modifications such as adding the phonetics of a word without review process? Or do I need to start over again? 
If you have an article/video specifying the review process in particular for articles, I would appreciate it. 
Thanks,&nbsp;[[User:User67343322|User67343322]] ([[User talk:User67343322|talk]]) 16:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|User67343322}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  The only drafts you have created are  [[Draft:Sandbox]] and [[User:User67343322/sandbox]]. I think you might have gotten the two titles confused at some point which is why you refer to "main sandbox"(only the page name with your username in it is your actual sandbox).  Typically drafts are submitted using [[WP:AFC|Articles for Creation]] which provides the means through which to submit it; I will shortly add this information to your draft manually to allow you to submit it. Be aware that you have chosen a challenging area in which to edit, bitcoin/cryptocurrencies, which has special rules that I will notify you about on your user talk page. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 17:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:Your actual sandbox has the information to submit your draft; I would suggest simply copying "Draft:Sandbox" over to your personal sandbox. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 17:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== I'm trying to have an article published but it's so hard just donated and feel lost. ==

I'm trying to have an article published, but it's so hard, just donated and feel lost.Is there anyone who can fix it for me please? Thanks&nbsp;[[User:Chrissy7531|Chrissy7531]] ([[User talk:Chrissy7531|talk]]) 17:09, 17 September 2021 (UTC):
: In the feedback, both on your draft and on your user talk page, the words in blue are [[WP:wikilinks|wikilinks]] to detailed advice.  In general it is better to get used to editing existing articles before you tackle the difficult task of creating an article from square one, but if you do want to do the latter you will find advice at [[WP:Your first article]].  Note that although the WMF will be grateful for your donation, it has no effect on the acceptance or otherwise of your draft.  - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 17:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Censorship ==
How much censorship and santization of talk page histories goes on on Wikipedia, and how much of it comes from autocratic governments, not just individual actors? Perhaps some examples of where articles and talk pages are 'missing some history.' -[[User:Zabooba|Zabooba]] ([[User talk:Zabooba|talk]]) 19:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:Censoring in the manner you described would be [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|WP:VANDALISM]]. Any accounts who would do that would hopefully be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]. <sub>Signed,</sub>'''''[[User:Pichemist|Pichemist]]'' <sup>([[User talk:Benjamin Borg|Talk]])</sup>''' 19:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

:If editing-history actually is missing, it's hard to know about it. You may find [[WP:SUPPRESS]] interesting. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 19:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
::I've blocked the account for [[WP:NOTHERE|clearly not being here to write an encyclopedia]] due to stuff [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:War&diff=1044759459&oldid=1028612987 like this], but a serious answer about missing history (though probably not what the OP was looking for) is my user page at [[User:Graham87/Page history observations]]. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 17:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Help new JLL editor ==

Hi, I'm a newer editor representing JLL, standing in for my colleague who usually makes Wikipedia requests for the company as she is out on leave. I wanted to ask here for help with finding someone to review [[Talk:JLL_(company)#Updating_Fortune_rank_and_company_announcements|a request for two brief additions to the article]]; I have asked a previous editor and I'm not sure where else to look for assistance.

Also, I noticed that someone [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=JLL_(company)&diff=1043856967&oldid=1041686170 added two sentences] to the JLL page about an issue at one of the offices in London for which JLL provides facilities management. It's essentially a personnel issue involving an employee of our subcontractor. It doesn't strike me as being something that editors would typically include in a company Wikipedia article; this is not a major event and does not have an impact on the company as a whole. Could editors take a look at this, too?&nbsp;[[User:GKatJLL|GKatJLL]] ([[User talk:GKatJLL|talk]]) 17:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|GKatJLL}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  Please see your user talk page for important information about how some policies and guidelines relevant to you, including information on a formal declaration you must make.  The request you speak of is pending; requests are fulfilled by volunteers, doing what they can when they can. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 17:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{courtesy link| JLL (company)}} [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Reducing non-free image ==

Which is the best software / app to reduce the size of non-free rationale poster without losing quality?&nbsp;[[User:Hyderabadi|Hyderabadi]] ([[User talk:Hyderabadi|talk]]) 14:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{yo|Hyderabadi}} A bot will automatically reduce the image. <b>[[User:Dudhhr|<span style="color:navy;">dud</span>]]</b><i>[[User talk:Dudhhr|<span style="color:red;">hhr</span>]]</i><small><sub>[[Special:Contribs/Dudhhr|<span style="color:green;">Contribs</span>]]</sub></small> 14:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{Yo|Dudhhr}} Yeah I know that I am asking how to manually reduce by myself. [[User:Hyderabadi|Hyderabadi]] ([[User talk:Hyderabadi|talk]]) 14:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Hyderabadi|Hyderabadi]] Further to the answer above, should you ever wish to reduce or crop any image yourself prior to uploading, I thoroughly recommend IrfanView. It's totally free, and I have used it both for work and on every home PC and laptop I've ever owned over many, many years. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 14:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Nick Moyes}} Thanks for the suggestion. [[User:Hyderabadi|Hyderabadi]] ([[User talk:Hyderabadi|talk]]) 14:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Hyderabadi|Hyderabadi]] If you want free alternative to Adobe Photoshop than [[GIMP]] is the probably the closest you can get. After you install the software, you can use [https://wcam-bot.toolforge.org/ this website] to help you to calculate the sizing in which the non-free image file should be reduced to. The website is the same website recommended on [[WP:IMAGERES]]. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 14:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Paper9oll|Paper9oll]]: Thanks for the suggestion. [[User:Hyderabadi|Hyderabadi]] ([[User talk:Hyderabadi|talk]]) 15:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Hyderabadi|Hyderabadi]] No problem. Happy editing! '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 15:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::::For what it's worth, I use Paint.Net. But as you can see, that's just one option out of many.[[User:Mike Marchmont|Mike Marchmont]] ([[User talk:Mike Marchmont|talk]]) 15:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::{{Yo|Mike Marchmont}} Thanks for the suggestion. [[User:Hyderabadi|Hyderabadi]] ([[User talk:Hyderabadi|talk]]) 17:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== List of wikipedians that ''do not fear their own life'' or something? ==

I remember seeing such list, and those people who are in harm's risk to document controversial things on real life, what was that list again? Cheers&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/125.167.112.247|125.167.112.247]] ([[User talk:125.167.112.247|talk]]) 02:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:There's [[Wikipedia:Editors willing to make difficult edits]]. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 17:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Quick question, please let me know the answer (if there is one) ==

How do you see how many contributions a user has? Like any user for example, how do you see their number of contributions? [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber1]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1|talk]]) 23:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber1]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1|talk]]) 23:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Speedcuber1}} Quick answer: https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Example (replace Example with the username of the user you want to see the contrib number for) [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 23:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Speedcuber1}}. Another way to find such information is to go to a user's userpage or user talk page, and click on "User contributions" in the left side panel. This will take you to that user's contributions' page, and if you scroll all the way to the bottom you'll find a hyperlink called "Edit count". That basically takes you to the same page referred to above by Blaze the Wolf. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:: An alternative method, {{u|Speedcuber1}} is to go to your Preferences/Gadgets at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]] and activate the tool called [[WP:POP|Navigation popups]]. When activated, that allows you to hover over usernames in threads like this one and immediately reveals the information you want: so in your case the popup shows me you have made 645 edits since 1 November 2017. This gadget is so useful (see documentation) that IMO it should probably default to being "on" for any autoconfirmed user — although perhaps it is too daunting for newbies. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 09:09, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
{{cot|Unrelated to the question. Please take this somewhere else, like maybe a user talk page.}}
:::Hi {{ping|Michael D. Turnbull}}, I have only made 645 edits since joining as I was blocked by {{u|Floquenbeam}} for disruptive edits. I was very young (to be editing Wikipedia) and I think the block was deserved, however not for almost 4 years. The admins could have made exceptions :/ </br>
:::Anyway, thanks for this tool, I will look into it later. [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Speedcuber1}} I suppose this is unrelated to the Teahouse request, but it's obnoxious to ping me just so I can see you misrepresent what happened.  You're leaving out all the socking you did in those 4 years, and the consensus of others that the block was correct.  If you're going to lie about this, probably better not to ping me so I don't see it, eh? Or maybe don't bring it up at all since it is unrelated to what MDT was telling you? --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 15:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC).
::::{{re|Floquenbeam}} I socked from 2017 to 2019, so 2 years at max. Not 4. [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 17:51, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
{{cob}}

== My edit to a Table Template isn't populating on the main article page ==

I'm only an occasional contributor and usually stick to adding data to tables or fixing errors.  The tables I've edited in the past simply have the table contained in the body of the main article, like in: [[List_of_Asus_routers]].  To edit them, you simply edit the page or the section and then add to or make changes to the table directly.  

Today I am trying to make an edit to the table at [[List_of_AMD_accelerated_processing_units#%22Cezanne%22_(2021)]].  I already figured out that trying to edit the article doesn't let you edit the table. It just has: <nowiki>{{AMD Ryzen 5000 desktop APUs}}</nowiki>, which I assume is a reference to the actual table data.  Through some poking around, I figured out that you can seemingly edit the table by clicking on the "E" in the V T E that appears next to the table.  I say seemingly, because I edited the table (I made a change to the column "PCIe Lanes") there and published my results -- which are visible if you view the template [[Template:AMD_Ryzen_5000_desktop_APUs]].  My change shows up in the change history for the table, but when I go back to view the main article, it still shows the previous version of the table.

Will the changes propagate on their own after some amount of time or is there something that I'm missing? 

Thanks!&nbsp;[[User:Bwachman|Bwachman]] ([[User talk:Bwachman|talk]]) 18:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:Without looking into, the issue is probably due to the fact that Wikipedia pages are [[cached]]. [[WP:Null edit|Null edit]]ing the page will probably fix it.&nbsp;&#8213;&nbsp;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 18:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::Hi [[User:Bwachman|Bwachman]], welcome to the Teahouse. The changes propagate on their own, usually quickly. A {{tl|purge}} also makes it happen right away. I see the changes in the article. Try to [[WP:BYPASS|bypass your cache]] if you still don't see it. Code of form <code><nowiki>{{X}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{X|...}}</nowiki></code> generally means that [[Template:X]] is transcluded. Many templates don't make an "E" link for editing. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Bonnie Raitt discography ==

I have a Bonnie Raitt cd which is not listed,how can I add it to existing list&nbsp;[[User:Williet2|Williet2]] ([[User talk:Williet2|talk]]) 18:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

&nbsp;[[User:Williet2|Williet2]] ([[User talk:Williet2|talk]]) 18:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Williet2|Williet2]] These links may be of help: [[WP:TUTORIAL]], [[WP:ADVENTURE]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Before I revert a page for the first time. ==

Hi,

I would like to make my first edit to Wikipedia, but since it involves reverting a page and removing someone else's work I figured it would be good to stop in here first. 

The page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eavor_Technologies , and I have a problem with the section titled "Criticism".  My reasoning for the reverting the page to remove this section is explained on the talk page, but basically it is content that doesn't meet the Wikipedia standards.  

Is there anything else I should do before reverting the page?

Thanks!&nbsp;[[User:CustEng|Peter Tait]] ([[User talk:CustEng|talk]]) 17:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:CustEng|CustEng]] Welcome to the Teahouse! I haven't checked the refs, but assuming, as you say, they are not about the company I say go ahead. Noone has replied to your talkpage comment in several days, so you have done what you could to get input. ''If'' you are reverted, [[WP:BRD]] has guidance on that. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== "Recent deaths" and "Ongoing stories" sections on front page? ==

Were those sections removed?&nbsp;[[User:JDspeeder1|JDspeeder1]] ([[User talk:JDspeeder1|talk]]) 04:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:JDspeeder1|JDspeeder1]]. Those sections are on [[Main Page]] right now and haven't been omitted recently. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 04:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::Strange, I see them now.  Were they recently moved? --[[User:JDspeeder1|JDspeeder1]] ([[User talk:JDspeeder1|talk]]) 05:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Nope, it hasn't been removed at any point (at least since 01:00 UTC, 16 September 2021). Maybe there was a bug on your side? '''''[[User:Tube of Light|Tube]]·[[User talk:Tube of Light|of]]·[[Special:Contributions/Tube_of_Light|Light]]''''' 05:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::It very well could have been a bug, but that's not quite what I asked.  I asked if they had been ''moved'', not ''REmoved''.  I have a vague memory of them being in a different location on the page.  --[[User:JDspeeder1|JDspeeder1]] ([[User talk:JDspeeder1|talk]]) 06:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|JDspeeder1}} They have always been at the bottom of "In the news". The page history is at [[Template:In the news]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::In that case, it was either a bug on my end, or else I just had a senior moment.  Oh well.  --[[User:JDspeeder1|JDspeeder1]] ([[User talk:JDspeeder1|talk]]) 20:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== [[Florida Gulf Coast University]] ==

Hi. I have  removed some soft content on the article, and I found this link to an oldid: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Florida_Gulf_Coast_University&diff=prev&oldid=1044868173 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Florida_Gulf_Coast_University&diff=prev&oldid=1044868173] in section Rankings because they seemed mainly advertising. See [[WP:SPAM]].&nbsp;–[[User:Diegopeter2013|Diegopeter2013]] (he/him • [[User talk:Diegopeter2013#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Diegopeter2013|contribs]] • [[Special:EmailUser/Diegopeter2013|email]]) 13:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Diegopeter2013|Diegopeter2013]] welcome to the Teahouse! I see your edit was subsequently reverted as good faith editing by {{u|The Grid}} with an explanatory edit summary to justify reinstatement. I think reversion was probably right, especially as you had removed the entire source from the article, rendering what remained of that paragraph as unsupported by any citation!
:I also note the source link has been updated, and that new position rankings need to be added, and the 'access date' of the source also updated. Perhaps you (or The Grid) could address this? If, after any reversion, you still feel justified in making an edit, that is the time to take to the article talk page to gain input and consensus from other editors. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 14:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::Looks like that can be skipped. – [[User:The Grid|<span style="color:navy">The Grid</span>]] ([[User talk:The Grid|<span style="color:navy">talk</span>]])  16:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Ha ha! Yes, user blocked for sockpuppetry. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 21:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Trying to figure out "blockquote" ==

I am writing an article on children's author David Cory (writing it offline), but because I wanted to use a "blockquote" I copied the beginning of the article into my sandbox here: [[User:Karenthewriter/sandbox]] to see if things were working properly. The quote is indented, but then everything that comes after the blockquote is indented even more, including references. Another problem is that the reference for the blockquote appears as just a blank reference 4.

I tried to do some research on "blockquote" but couldn't find what I was doing wrong. Can anyone advice me what to do to get the rest of the article to stop indenting? I considered just adding a ":" before the quote to indent it, but I'd like to learn how to do a proper blockquote. Any assistance will be appreciated.&nbsp;[[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 17:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
: The text of the quote is preceded by <code><nowiki><blockquote></nowiki></code>, but after it you need <code><nowiki></blockquote></nowiki></code> and you forgot the slant character.  - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 17:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) thank you so much for telling me about the slant character I left out. That fixes the indenting problem, but I still see that the reference at the end of the blockquote isn't showing within the references shown. Is there a special way to reference what I want indented? [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 17:43, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
: If you're talking about the error showing for ref 4, you've tried to invoke the ref named Cory without having defined it.  There is a wikilink in the error message which takes you to the relevant help page.  --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 17:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) thank you once again for your expertise. I feel like such a nitwit, because the Cory reference was defined, but the quotation marks around Cory were wrong. When I cut and paste from my personally-written offline documents to Wikipedia, my quotation marks often get corrupted, and I should have known enough to check them as a possible problem solution. At least my mistakes keep me humble, and I know I'm far from being an expert. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 22:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Dyslexia ==
I am looking for help editing a section on the Dyslexia article. 

I have an acquaintance who is a PhD and Emeritus from Michigan State University that is not tech savvy (92 years old) and wants to publish his edits to the History section of the article but I cannot seem to edit the article on his behalf.

Any insight?&nbsp;[[User:Visage1995|Visage1995]] ([[User talk:Visage1995|talk]]) 13:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:I added a separate heading to this question to avoid further confusion. [[User:Wikignome Wintergreen|<span style="color:#339966">''Wikignome Wintergreen''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Wikignome Wintergreen|talk]]</sup> 15:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::[[Dyslexia]] or [[History of dyslexia research]]? There is no evidence in Contributions that you have edited either. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Please make sure that the edits your acquaintance is wanting to make to the history section are reliably sourced, otherwise when you do make the edit it will be reverted. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 15:51, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::And if the source he wants to cite is his own work, then that would be regarded as a [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]] (whether he added the material himself, or you did so on his behalf). That doesn't mean that the material may not be added, {{U|Visage1995}} but you should use the [[WP:edit request|edit request]] mechanism so that an uninvolved editor can decide what is appropriate to add. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:: The talk page and contributions of {{user|Philipwinters1}} are apparently relevant here, perhaps a prior account of the above? [[User:Wikignome Wintergreen|<span style="color:#339966">''Wikignome Wintergreen''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Wikignome Wintergreen|talk]]</sup> 16:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::And [[User:JchPHD58]], perhaps?--[[User:Quisqualis|Quisqualis]] ([[User talk:Quisqualis|talk]]) 22:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Articles archived at The Free Library ==

Is it acceptable to link to articles archived at [[The Free Library]] where original article no longer available on relevant newspaper site?&nbsp;[[User:Gallus Alice|Gallus Alice]] ([[User talk:Gallus Alice|talk]]) 20:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{reply|Gallus Alice}} Yes as long as the publication you are citing is considered a reliable source. The Free Library may collect from unreliable sources also. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 21:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:: For more information about reliable sources, see [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]]. This [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources|list]] can also be useful, I like using the find feature on my browser to quickly see if the source I'm interested is on this list if I'm ever uncertain about whether or not it is reliable. [[User:Clovermoss|<span style="color:darkorchid">Clover</span><span style="color:green">moss</span>]] [[User talk:Clovermoss|(talk)]] 01:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Signature without a question ==
&nbsp;[[User:Themanofpurpose|Themanofpurpose]] ([[User talk:Themanofpurpose|talk]]) 19:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello.
: Hello {{u|Themanofpurpose}}. Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question related to editing Wikipedia? [[User:Clovermoss|<span style="color:darkorchid">Clover</span><span style="color:green">moss</span>]] [[User talk:Clovermoss|(talk)]] 01:55, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

==I'm new to this place. How do I create a draft article ?==
&nbsp;[[User:Mayfair098|Mayfair098]] ([[User talk:Mayfair098|talk]]) 04:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:Please see [[WP:DRAFT]], regards, [[User:Ariconte|Ariconte]] ([[User talk:Ariconte|talk]]) 04:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Mayfair098|Mayfair098]] [[WP:YFA]] can be of help. Make sure your topic meets the demands at [[WP:GNG]], otherwise you are wasting your time. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:48, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Article not found in ==

There’s an article I was looking for but I only found by accident, as it is not in any major search engine (my searchg found it because it’s the subject of a “Did you know” nomination) - I checked and I see that there is a New Page review process but it seems that this page has passed that. What else is required for an article to be searchable? A certain number of days on Wikipedia?&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/85.249.167.149|85.249.167.149]] ([[User talk:85.249.167.149|talk]]) 09:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:All that is required is ''either'' a [[wikipedia:New Page Patroller|new page patroller]] reviews it or 90 days pass.&nbsp;&#8213;&nbsp;[[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 12:13, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:What's the name of the article, 85.249.167.149? [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 12:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Referencing articles ==

Hello there - I'm new to this so apologies if I'm asking a very obvious question. I've started writing my first articles and am keen to properly cite my sources with the academic and scholarly references. I tried looking for a wikipedia tutorial but couldn't find it. Any leads gratefully received! Many thanks, R.&nbsp;[[User:Rimple21|Rimple21]] ([[User talk:Rimple21|talk]]) 13:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Rimple21}}, I see you have taken the ''index page'' [[Sweetman]], which is intended to help readers find the article they want about someone of that name, and added unreferenced information about the surname "Sweetman". You will need to remove your additions to that index page, and may then use them to start creating what you intend to become an ''article'' about that surname. I recommend creating it as a draft, as while it cites no references it would be in danger of deletion if created directly as an article. If you like I can do the creation of a draft and the moving of content for you, and include a corrrectly-cited reference so you can see how it's done. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 13:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Unsourced content ==

When I was patrolling recent changes I came across [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amman_Academy&diff=next&oldid=1044627109&diffmode=source this] edit. First I thought about reverting it because there is no source provided but later I observe that the entire article doesn't have any source. Even if I revert the edit the user who made the edit could argue that the [[Amman Academy|entire article]] doesn't have any source so why don't you delete the article itself. Thinking about this I didn't revert the edit. 

My question is what should I do when someone adds such controversial or unsourced content to an article which already have no source at all or the section to which the content is added is unsourced?

In another [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kashyap_Bandhu&action=history case](see the edit made on July 2, 2020) I noticed one editor removed all unsourced content per [[WP:V]]. In other cases I've seen editors adding citation need flags to the unsourced content. Few flags are years old and still no source is added to them. So my another question is should I add citation needed flag or simply remove the content if in future I found an article without any source or a section without any source?&nbsp;[[User:Eevee01|<b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>]]<sup>([[User talk:Eevee01|<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>]])</sup> 22:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Eevee01}} Thanks for pointing this out. First point: {{courtesy link|Amman Academy}} - I flagged the article for notability, and removed the unsourced controversies section. Someone with more experience in deletion discussions for non-notable high schools may nominate it for deletion. But unsourced controversies violate [[WP:UNDUE]] and [[WP:STRUCTURE]]. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Eevee01}} Taking a look at the article in the edit, I'm not finding any sources that would establish its notability. The only thing I'm finding that might be notable about it is its solar power system, however that doesn't seem notable enough to warrant an entire article. I would suggest putting the article up for deletion with the reasoning that it's a non-notable subject. [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 22:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ec}} {{re|Eevee01}} Second point: {{courtesy link|Kashyap Bandhu}} There's no hard and fast rule about removing unsourced information, but if it might be controversial and used to discredit a person, it's better to remove it. If it's not controversial but still unsourced, and seems like it might have a reasonable chance of being true, you can flag the statement with the citations needed template <nowiki> {{cn|date=September 2021}}</nowiki> [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Plucking somewhat out of context, but: "the [[Amman Academy|entire article]] doesn't have any source so why don't you delete the article itself?" Why not, indeed? There are only so many hours in the day (and days in one's life), but if you can spare a few minutes, try searching for sources. If "Amman Academy" is notable, I'd expect to see web sources in which its name is written in roman script. If there aren't any, well, the article has been unreferenced for years (since its outset), so [[Template:AfD in 3 steps|send to AfD]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 22:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks everyone for your answers.  [[User:Eevee01|<b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>]]<sup>([[User talk:Eevee01|<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>]])</sup> 14:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Can I/How to cite what is written in material obtained through the Freedom of Information Act [USA]? ==

for my mother's entry
[[Norma Zarky]]

I would like to add the fact that she was a member of the League of Women Shoppers 
which turns out to have been an important organization in the past that had advocated for consumers. [I enjoyed learning all this from your entry]
[[League of Women Shoppers]]

This I learned from material my brother retrieved some years ago from the FBI via FOIA.
So I wonder are these FBI files a citable source, and if so how would I reference it? I assume it's not something everyone can see, but presumably could be verified in some way.


Many thanks, 
Michael&nbsp;[[User:Tuningmeister|Tuningmeister]] ([[User talk:Tuningmeister|talk]]) 13:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:Probably not, I'm afraid, {{U|Tuningmeister}}: all information must be cited to [[WP:published|published]] sources, and I don't think those files can be regarded as published. But you're welcome to discuss the matter at [[Talk:Norma Zarky]] and see whether others agree with me. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Tuningmeister}} I would concur with {{u|ColinFine}}.  Sources must be publicly available, and needing a FOIA request to obtain them means they are not available to the general public. Is there nothing else that you can cite showing her membership in the organization? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:Usually, English-language Wikipedia articles do not directly cite [[Freedom of Information Act (United States)|FOIA]]{{'}}d documents. Instead, they cite books, academic papers, or articles from reputable newspapers that cite those documents. So, for example, Wikipedia wouldn't cite FOIA'd court documents but the ''[[ProPublica]]'' article that does. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 15:04, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== How to write for your SAAS software. ==

I would like to ask how can i write about my SAAS accounting software here on Wikipedia so that it appears on google searches?&nbsp;[[User:Ghazniali95|Ghazni ali]] ([[User talk:Ghazniali95|talk]]) 12:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Ghazniali95|Ghazniali95]] Per [[WP:GNG]], it's very unlikely that you can/should. See also [[Wikipedia:User pages]]. If all you want to write about is yourself, then WP is not the place. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 13:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:Otoh, per [[:Category:As a service]] I could be wrong. [[WP:TUTORIAL]] and [[WP:YFA]] can be of help to you. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 13:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

: {{re|Ghazniali95}} I think it's a bad idea.  Writing about '' 'your' '' software is a clear case of [[WP:COI]], and writing about it '' 'so that it appears on google searches' '' would be an obvious [[WP:PROMO]]. --[[User:CiaPan|CiaPan]] ([[User talk:CiaPan|talk]]) 14:18, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
::They ''could'' mean "the software I didn't make but am using." [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 14:21, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

:Wikipedia has no interest in improving your online presence or boosting your Google hits, {{U|Ghazniali95}}: that's called [[WP:promotion|promotion]], and is forbidden in Wikipedia. If at some point Wikipedia has an article about your software, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not be for your benefit, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people with no connection to you have chosen to publish about your software, not on what you or your associates say or want to say about it. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Notability Checking and its implications ==

I noticed a lot of articles get rejected based on the notability factor. I am curious to know, why would we want someone to spend time and write about a non-notable subject hoping to get it published and after x hours of work and another couple of weeks of waiting and editing, get a message saying the article has been rejected. That not only creates a negative user experience but it makes wikipedia look like it's a super complicated place where only the elite can survive. When in fact, it is not! It is just that there are rules which are enforced to maintain quality. 

And also this chunk of non-notable content is out there for a month until it is rejected (which means volunteers would be spending time editing it). And finally, it comes to the review stage and someone goes through it, does some research before having to decline acceptance.

So we end up with [Initial effort from author] + [Volunteer editors effort] + [Reviewer's effort] spent on many articles which never see daylight so to speak. Shouldn't we first validate notability and reject the article even before it is written? In that case, we save time and people are happy too. Just a suggestion. 

For instance, if I want to write about say Timmy Hawk and I submit the idea and get rejected, I wouldn't mind because I didn't spend any time on it. However, when the article is rejected after 8 hours of work, makes very unhappy, bitter users. I don't blame them (I'd be upset too!) and the reviewers are not to blame either. Maybe it is just a process flaw.

One might argue that a non-notable topic today might become a notable topic so let's encourage people to write articles and delete them. (So we can undo them later) but it doesn't happen that frequently. Do we have any stats around this?

I'd love to understand why things are done the way they are (maybe I'm missing something!) I'm pretty new around here so cut me some slack! :)&nbsp;[[User:Elenatina|Elenatina]] ([[User talk:Elenatina|talk]]) 18:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Elenatina}} This is a great question! I think the reason is that people who make the article don't usually know about the notability rule and if they do, they might not actually realize the subject of the article isn't notable. I do agree that, because of the backlog, people might not know their subject isn't notable for months and so they edit it under the assumption that it is until their article gets declined or rejected under the reasoning that it isn't notable. This is really just an issue that might not be solved for many years. The issue with validating notability before an article is written is that there are way too many possibilities of article subjects for this to be reasonable. If I missed anything please add on to my response! [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 18:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::We do have a place where people can request an article about a topic they feel may be notable. It's at [[WP:RA]], I have no comment on it's effectiveness. [[User:Mcmatter|McMatter]] <sup>([[User talk:Mcmatter|talk]])</sup>/<sub>([[Special:Contributions/Mcmatter|contrib]])</sub> 19:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{u|Elenatina}}, in effect, you are proposing a mandatory notability "pre check" where editors were not allowed to work on drafts until other, more powerful editors gave them the OK.  How would we decide who has the power to say yes or no? Volunteer time would still be required to research the notability of a flood of proposed topics. Here is how I see it: Anyone who wants to write an encyclopedia article ought to spend some time studying Wikipedia's [[WP:PAG|policies and guidelines]]. That's what I did before I started writing articles. I have authored over 100 new articles and not one has been deleted because I (not someone else) make sure that the topic is notable before spending a lot of time writing. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 19:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@[[User talk:Cullen328|Cullen328]] You are one of the few wise ones. I am writing my first article and I did a bit of groundwork too. I am 80% sure that the subject is notable and I sure don't want to waste time on some article which is not notable. Not everyone does their homework. They are enthusiastic about a topic and jump into wikipedia to start writing and then they go beserk when their article is rejected. It is simply ignorance. Since people love to take the easy route of not doing their ground work, I am proposing notability check automation. Yes, may not be able to cover all possible scenarios and there will be exceptions. But if we can get 80% accuracy in determining something that's not notable, we're still good. So for instance, I think Timmy Hawks is notable. So I use the notability checker and realize, he might not actually be notable based on the results. I can still go ahead and create the article because I think otherwise, knowing that there's a good chance of the article being rejected. These are some ways to check notability in minutes without delving into the details.
Google trends results
Google News
WP Refs
All of this is available in the editor tools. 
Maybe a combination of these results and few other tools (which the people who reject drafts can help shed light on), we should be able to predict if an article will be declined.
Also notability check is not uniform across the board and academia, film and different disciplines have their own way of determining notability. For instance determining notability for a researcher is significantly different from doing the same for an actor. But if we could get inputs from reviewers, we could surely do some sort of auto-check and make life better for everyone. I'm curious if there's a way of measuring rejection stats and map the trend. Month-wise articles submitted count, Month-wise rejection count due to notability. If it is not a big number, then this whole discussion is irrelevant.
But if it the rejection rate around 50% then we have a problem. 10% rejection rate is still not bad, just saying.

I've taken a random article in submission - Neera Arya. And based on these three tool checks, it is not notable. Just took me 5 minutes to come to that conclusion. I could be wrong!

[[User:Elenatina|Elenatina]] ([[User talk:Elenatina|talk]]) 04:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Elenatina}} I think these are fantastic questions and they're often the subtext of angry messages I get on my talk page asking why I declined this draft and that draft, so I often answer this question even when someone hasn't asked it. Congrats on being possibly the first person I've ever seen to actually ask it.

:Firstly, let's think about what would happen if we had no notability policy. There was a time when Wikipedia didn't. It arose at a certain point in our history where we stopped valuing ''all'' actions that grew the encyclopedia (''quantity''), and started being interested in some minimum threshold of ''quality'': we need this for lots of reasons, like reputation. Having false information degrades the ''entire'' encyclopedia, because our readers will not be able to tell what is true and what is not, and we will lose respect and readership. Additionally, we'll get onto the need to keep out covert advertising on Wikipedia later. So notability is needed, and not just as a formality, but as a rigorous, strict requirement. None of our information is useful unless (at least) most of it is trustworthy.

:Next, let's talk about how notability is determined. You have to look at all available sources. The research process is the bulk of my time on most of my created articles, and it's the most important step. So if you submit a request, "hey I wonder if Timmy Hawk is notable", I can't tell you that without being halfway to creating an article. The problem is that experienced volunteers don't have the time to do this. I've created about 125 articles in my seven years here, which took an average of maybe 6 hours each to write, and I have a list of what would amount to thousands of articles that I am passionate about and would love to create. I'm not going to be able to properly investigate hundreds of other people's suggestions.

:So, what could we do instead? We could push that burden of work onto the person who wants an article created. Unfortunately, this necessitates them potentially spending hours on an article that will never see the light of day. Now, we could require that someone first present the references before they go ahead with the actual article writing, but in order to check that I need to read them all and that's still going to take me an hour per draft. So how about the person formats the references nicely, making sure the website names and headlines are really clearly presented, and summarises the information found in them so I can see if the coverage really is substantial. Well, that's what a draft is. That's what writing an article is. So this is a reinvention of the current draft process, and hopefully this thought process shows you the impetus behind it.

:Additionally, there are some cases where I really don't have sympathy for people working and waiting and working and waiting only for their draft to be declined time and time again. These are the cases where people are editing in violation of our policies, which more often than not we will never discover because we have no way of knowing. These are the cases of [[WP:UPE|undisclosed paid editing]] and covert [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] editing: people who are here just to promote themselves. These people want to exploit our volunteer labour for personal gain. It violates one of [[WP:5P2|our five key pillars]]: neutrality. Because there are many significant financial incentives for people and companies to get Wikipedia articles on themselves, we will never be able to stem the tide of people who are here for none of the right reasons. So we need a robust system to deal with this, and the draft system is the best we have. Unfortunately, a lot of people editing in good faith get caught in the crossfire, because sometimes there is simply no possible way to distinguish a conflict of interest editor from someone just interested in the topic. But we do our best.

:However, I would say that you often can solicit experienced editors' quick judgements on whether references likely show notability before creating a draft: my talk page is open to such enquiries and I've received them in the past. Even writing drafts that never make it to articles can still be a useful practice as it is still a way to learn all of the skills you need in article writing in the future. But, very few of us ever recommend creating a new article as your first step on Wikipedia: it is like learning to drive a truck before a car.

:Finally, I would add that our draft system is not a healthy system working as designed. It is a perennially backlogged embarrassment to our website, the result of the fact that our experienced volunteer community is stretched ten times too thin. It takes a lot of time and experience for someone to learn enough to be able to review drafts, and requires a lot of characteristics that are rarer to find than you might expect, like the ability to learn from constructive criticism and not fly off the handle when provoked. I consider our system a failure whenever there is a draft that has been unreviewed for a week or long. That makes it currently a failure. We desperately need more volunteers in all areas of Wikipedia. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 20:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::<small>Nice [[WP:WALLS|wall of text]] [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]]. Not meaning to be rude but mind adding a [[WP:TLDR|TLDR]]?</small> [[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001]] ([[User talk:Blaze The Wolf#top|talk]]) 20:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Okay, so don't read it if you don't want to. Your comment does come across as rude. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 23:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

::::{{reply|Bilorv}} I read it. It wouldn't look like a wall o' text if you put line breaks between the paragraphs, like I'm doing at the end of this line.

::::Anyway, I was struck by something you said, and it reminded me of the way [[WP:DYK]] handles things: If you propose an article on [[WP:DYK]], you have to review someone else's proposal (not necessarily approve or decline it, but leave a review comment about your view of its readiness). I'm not sure how a similar mechanism like would be enforced for submitted drafts. Like, your draft won't appear in the queue until you indicate what other draft you have suggested improvements on. I'm not sure if such a thing would work. It works over at DYK because those who propose articles are generally experienced. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 04:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Anachronist}} thanks for the suggestion. I've added line breaks. I'm afraid we've got almost the exact opposite situation as at DYK—people are specifically only submitting articles via drafts because they ''aren't'' experienced enough to review other people's drafts (i.e. they don't have a firm enough grasp on notability to create articles directly). We'd get rubberstamping, or even tactical [[WP:UPE|UPE]] tag-teaming, or comments that are good faith but not actually that helpful to the recipient. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 16:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Elenatina}}, inexperienced users who want to create articles are often advised to find sources that establish notability ''before'' they do anything else; and to give up if they can't find such sources. They rarely follow this advice. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 20:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@[[User:Maproom|Maproom]] Right! So, I'm trying to see if we can make it easier to establish notability. One good thing about notability is, we accept subjects who are already recognized. Not people who we think are worthy of recognition. Notability checking can be automated if we can pin down the rules.
@[[User:Mcmatter|McMatter]] Thanks for telling me about [[WP:RA]]. Is it a manual check that happens when we submit subjects to the page?
 [[User:Elenatina|Elenatina]] ([[User talk:Elenatina|talk]]) 04:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Elenatina}} outside simple cases like for some types of plant/animal species (which we already have bots for), notability cannot be automated. It is far, far too complicated, because you need to evaluate (among many other things) how significantly the specific topic is covered in each source included in a draft. For instance, a profile on a person's company is less significant coverage of them (for a biography article) than a profile on them. An individual ''New York Times'' article may be unreliable even though the publication is generally reliable. And so on. The rules are pinned down as specifically as possible in guidelines like [[WP:NACTOR]], but the exact threshold still varies from editor to editor and we can't pin down exact rules because there would be many millions of exceptions. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 16:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Layout bug ==


Hi,

I added a bunch of recent results to the listicle [[XRCO Award]] (fair warning - that's a porn award), and ran into the overflow oddity visible at the bottom of this screenshot, taken in Firefox 91.0.2 at fullscreen width (no idea how reproducible it is):

https://ibb.co/j501xPN

The last word of the first {{template|columns-list}} item in the section "Star Showcase", "Films)", appears in place of the second item instead of as the second line of the first item as it should. I checked that the character between "Angel" and "Films" is a standard whitespace. I also tried increasing and decreasing the "colwidth" parameter slightly, to no avail. I'm guessing this only happens because the other section's image reduces this section's available width. Any ideas?

- [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:4209:6900:9455:4A1B:E73E:54B9|2A02:560:4209:6900:9455:4A1B:E73E:54B9]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:4209:6900:9455:4A1B:E73E:54B9|talk]]) 20:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Courtesy FYI - I clicked on the ibb.co link and my antivirus gave me a malicious download warning. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
::Yikes - I simply googled |image upload| and that was the top hit!
::- [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:4209:6900:F1BE:D037:40CD:EA37|2A02:560:4209:6900:F1BE:D037:40CD:EA37]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:4209:6900:F1BE:D037:40CD:EA37|talk]]) 10:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Your screen probably has room for three columns and the current colwidth=23em spreads the content on three lines. That means every column gets a single line and the first item is split between the first and second column. On my screen it can be avoided with colwidth=25em which fits the first item on one line. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::::Hm. Testing:
{{columns-list|colwidth=3em|
* one
* (colwidth 3em)
}}
{{columns-list|colwidth=3em|
* one two
* (colwidth 3em)
}}
{{columns-list|colwidth=3em|
* one two three
* (colwidth 3em)
}}
<br/>
{{columns-list|colwidth=9em|
* one two three
* (colwidth 9em)
}}
{{columns-list|colwidth=9em|
* one two three four five six
* (colwidth 9em)
}}
{{columns-list|colwidth=9em|
* one two three four five six seven eight nine
* (colwidth 9em)
}}
<br/>
{{columns-list|colwidth=30em|
* one two three 
* one two three four five six seven eight nine
* one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-four twenty-five twenty-six twenty-seven twenty-eight twenty-nine thirty
* (colwidth 30em)
}}
::::You're right! I guess my assumption was that this layout scheme is supposed to be strictly hierarchical, allowing multiple list items in a single column but not, vice versa, a single list item across multiple columns. And I guess I assumed that based on cases like the 30em test above, where (on my screen) the total of 6 lines is divvied up as 2+4 rather than the more economical 3+3, in order not to break up one of the list items. But the 3em and 9em cases clearly demonstrate that that assumption is faulty at least as far as "strictly" is concerned. Thanks!
::::- [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:4209:6900:78C2:4454:C9E7:353A|2A02:560:4209:6900:78C2:4454:C9E7:353A]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:4209:6900:78C2:4454:C9E7:353A|talk]]) 16:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
::Possible a false positive since my antivirus hasn't said anything about the site. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 13:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== Image from Commons isn't updating ==

In Commons, I uploaded a new version of the following file yesterday: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GHG_emissions_from_energy_by_sector_2020.svg

The following Wikipedia article references this file, but is still showing an older version of it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_energy#Energy_system_transformation

How can I get the Wikipedia article to bring in the latest version of the image? I have already tried purging the page cache.&nbsp;[[User:Clayoquot|Clayoquot]] ([[User_talk:Clayoquot|talk]] <nowiki>&#124;</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Clayoquot|contribs]]) 16:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
: It looks fine to me, so its probably an issue with your browser rather than Wikipedia, {{u|Clayoquot}}. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Clayoquot}}{{ec}} Looks Okay for me. Have you tried [[Wikipedia:Bypass your cache|bypassing your browser cache]]? [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 16:29, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
::Bypassing my browser cache worked. Thanks to both of you! [[User:Clayoquot|Clayoquot]] ([[User_talk:Clayoquot|talk]] <nowiki>&#124;</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Clayoquot|contribs]]) 16:37, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== First article structure ==

Hello dear friends
please tell me, 
- How do I make my first article according to wikipedia formating  - i mean for example interactive contents? 
- If I already put citations (they appears with a number after referring statements) should I also copy them all in a references paragraph, or is it some way it is going to be done automatically?
 
Thank you!&nbsp;[[User:Evolutionary Virologist|Evolutionary Virologist]] ([[User talk:Evolutionary Virologist|talk]]) 10:21, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

:No, [[User:Evolutionary Virologist|Evolutionary Virologist]]. You do it like this:
::{{Olive|<nowiki>Preventive maintenance saves money in the medium and long term.<ref>''Motorcycle and Moped Maintenance'', p. 30.</ref></nowiki>}}
:Numbering and placement of the reference will be automated. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 11:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Evolutionary Virologist|Evolutionary Virologist]] More first article guidance at [[WP:YFA]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 11:52, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Evolutionary Virologist}} - see [[HELP:REFBEGIN]]. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 18:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== On your reverted action: Abdul Ghani Baradar: Revision history　 ==

&nbsp;[[User:IyataYada|IyataYada]] ([[User talk:IyataYada|talk]]) 14:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The line <<On September 15 2021, Baradar was listed on Time magazine as one of the "100 Most Influential People In 2021".>>without reference was doubly added after the line <<On September 15, Baradar was listed on the Time magazine as one of the "100 Most Influential People in 2021".[54]>> in Section 2.5 '''Post-release career''' with a reference. Therefore, the reverted action is wrong. The first line w/o reference should be deleted. --[[User:IyataYada|IyataYada]] ([[User talk:IyataYada|talk]]) 14:54, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
: The best place to discuss this is at the talk page for the article.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 17:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


No it's not the issue. I am simply asking why the article page "Abdul Ghani Baradar" has two same sentences.

Just before "Contents" it says: 

"On September 15 2021, Baradar was listed on Time magazine as one of the "100 Most Influential People In 2021"."

The last sentense of Section 2.5 '''Post-release career''' it says:

"On September 15, Baradar was listed on the Time magazine as one of the "100 Most Influential People in 2021".[54]"

Is this not a redundancy? Or else?--[[User:IyataYada|IyataYada]] ([[User talk:IyataYada|talk]]) 18:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:The section before the contents listing of an article is its introduction, {{u|IyataYada}}, and is supposed to summarise the most important aspects of the article per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section]], so it's not necessarily a redundancy. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 18:18, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

To {{u|Cordless Larry}}, thanks. Understood. If so, I'd like to add an extended sentense or explanatory words to the second one in order to avoid odd feelings. --[[User:IyataYada|IyataYada]] ([[User talk:IyataYada|talk]]) 18:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:Usually, the level of detail in the introduction would be less than that in the main text, so if it's possible to expand the latter then that would be good, {{u|IyataYada}}. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 18:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

To {{u|Teahouse}}, thanks. By the way, this article page has a mixed date system (European:dd/mm/yy) and (American:mm/dd/yy). It's better for me to leave them for now, but I changed just one date for a minimum consistency.--[[User:IyataYada|IyataYada]] ([[User talk:IyataYada|talk]]) 19:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Assistance with an article entry about an 18th century seafarer ==

Hi all, after undertaking lengthy research, I have written about a person of historical interest who, I believe. merits an entry to Wikipedia. The article I have written would not transcribe suitably as it is for a Wikipedia entry and I wouldn't feel too confident writing it up in the editorial style required of Wikipedia. My question is: do any experienced editors work alongside others to create an article and if so, could one contact me? I have all my sources and references and if any editor is keen to add an article about an 18th century seafarer with a fascinating story I'd love to hear from you to tell you more. [[User:Timfoley50|Timfoley50]] ([[User talk:Timfoley50|talk]]) 19:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Timfoley50|Timfoley50]] ([[User talk:Timfoley50|talk]]) 19:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{reply|Timfoley50}} You don't have to write an article, you can start a draft instead, and not worry about it being deleted while it gets worked on. See [[WP:YFA]]. Start a draft and put all the material you have in there. Once it is in a draft page, any editor on Wikipedia can see it and work on it, but you'll likely have to ask here again for your draft to be noticed. The point is, it must exist first. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 20:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{reply|Anachronist}}Thank you and I shall give it my best shot before returning here. [[User:Timfoley50|Timfoley50]] ([[User talk:Timfoley50|talk]]) 20:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Has an admin ever gone rogue? ==
[[File:Shane MacGowan 2008.jpg|thumb|Pogue Admin]]
Has an admin on here ever gone rogue? If so can you give me link(s) to the discussions?&nbsp;[[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
*{{yo|speedcuber1}} I haven't seen any actual rouge admins, but two days ago there was [[Special:Permalink/1045054398#Rogue Admin?|an ANI thread]] complaining about someone being blocked from their TP for 12 hours. <b>[[User:Dudhhr|<span style="color:navy;">dud</span>]]</b><i>[[User talk:Dudhhr|<span style="color:red;">hhr</span>]]</i><small><sub>[[Special:Contribs/Dudhhr|<span style="color:green;">Contribs</span>]]</sub></small> 14:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
*:There are plenty of rouge admins, but the rogue admin is rare. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 20:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
*{{Ping|Speedcuber1}} this question is a bit of a drama magnet. You could be a bit more precise if you want an exact answer. There have been cases of admins' accounts being compromised. There have been cases of [[Wikipedia:Don't delete the main page|deleting the main page]]. There have been cases of admins doing things that have received much backlash, and having admin status removed involuntarily. Many people think many individual admins are consistently acting roguely without consequence. "Rogue admin" is something of a common term on Wikipedia, but it's slang without a rigorous definition. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 16:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
*{{Ping|Bilorv}} Please could I see such instances? I won't make any drama, I just want to have a look. Also {{u|Dudhhr}} I see that you put "yo" instead of "ping" or "u" and it worked the same 😂
*Bilorv are you saying every rogue admin has done so involuntarily due to their account being compromised, or that an admin has deliberately gone rogue? I'm just interested, not trying to cause any drama. [[User:Speedcuber1|<span style="color:Blue;">'''Speedcuber1'''</span>]] [[User talk:Speedcuber1|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Speedcuber1}}, the [[Essjay controversy]] is relevant to your question. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 17:40, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:You might also be interested in [[Wikipedia:Former administrators/reason]], {{u|Speedcuber1}}. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 17:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:Well, as far as [[Special:Permalink/1045054398#Rogue Admin?|the recent ANI thread]] referenced above by [[User:Dudhhr|Dudhhr]], I for my part went rogue deliberately. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 19:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC).
My wife thinks I'm so attractive that she often calls me her "little Pogue Admin". [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 20:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== "Possible BLP issue or vandalism" ==

Hey. Recently, I added info to the "personal life" section of [[Dodie (singer)]] (her sexuality, if that's important), and I noticed that the edits have been tagged with "possible BLP issue or vandalism". These are the edits in question: [[Special:diff/1043924209]] & [[Special:diff/1044856807]].  I'm assuming this is some sort of automatic process and not manually added, but I don't know exactly what triggered it. Does it have something to do with the sources I used (i.e. [https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/dodie-clark-youtube-abuse-interwined/ Daily Dot] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20210917121340/https://outinjersey.net/dodie-is-building-an-understanding-of-herself/ Out in Jersey])? Or the language itself (came out, bisexual)? Another concern I have: should I try to rectify these edits with this tag in mind? Thanks in advance for any possible assistance.&nbsp;[[User:ArcticSeeress|ArcticSeeress]] ([[User talk:ArcticSeeress|talk]]) 12:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hello, {{U|ArcticSeeress}}. The tag is indeed added by the software: I'm not sure why; my guess is that it was because you edited a paragraph ("Mental health") which was already marked as being unreferenced, but I'm not sure. Either way, the tag is a notice for people to check the edit, not necessarily a problem. Your addition was then removed by an anonymous user (85.147.220.8), who gave no reason. Under the [[WP:BRD|BRD]] policy, anybody may remove an edit they think is unhelpful, and the next thing to do is to discuss it with them (and any other editors who are interested) on the article's talk page. In this case, editor {{U|RA0808}} noticed that an anonymous editor had removed material without discussing it, and restored it. Then the same editor (presumably) removed it again, still with no edit summary (that was edit warring, and they should not have done so - I have put a note on their user talk page). Then you restored it - which is also [[WP:edit warring|edit warring]]). It seems to me that your addition is satisfactorily sourced; but whether or not it belongs in the article is a matter of editorial discretion, to be determined by consensus. Your edit is currently in there - if somebody removes it again, you should certainly discuss it and gain consensus before reapplying it. The section "Mental health", on the other hand, was uncited, and I have removed it from the article as I believe it was violating the policy on [[WP:BLP|BLP]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

::Thank you for the reply, {{u|ColinFine}}! I take it the tag itself isn't a problem in and of itself, then. I've read through the BRD article you linked, though the IP user doesn't seem very communicative on any talk pages or edit summaries; they removed the content again without reason. I'd like to assume good faith here, but they seem rather dead-set on removing that part in particular without discussion. This isn't very conductive for reaching any kind of consensus, so is it safe to assume that this is vandalism? [[User:ArcticSeeress|ArcticSeeress]] ([[User talk:ArcticSeeress|talk]]) 12:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:No, {{U|ArcticSeeress}}, I don't think it is safe to assume it is vandalism. The user may be convinced that the information doesn't belong there, and be removing it in good faith. They do appear to be [[WP:edit warring|edit warring]] however (the latest deletion is from a different IP address, but is likely to be the same person - that IP address has been also been warned on their user talk page). If anonymous addresses continue to edit that article disruptively, you could request that the page be [[WP:RPP|semiprotected]], which will stop not-logged-in editors from editing it. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:11, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Your opinion - Deletion review ==

Hello

Please give honestly your opinion [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 September 18|here]]

Thanks&nbsp;[[User:Art&#38;football|Art&#38;football]] ([[User talk:Art&#38;football|talk]]) 18:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Art&#38;football}} It looks like the other editors are being very reasonable to offer to move your article to draft.  Until they do, there's nothing non-admins can do, since they can't see the text. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:33, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Find similar pages ==

Good day everyone, I just have one short question is there and API or some other way to find similar (existing) wikipedia pages for given title. I want through python code to sent get request to wikipedia page, but in order to do that I have to write title of a page I'm looking for in the url, but in some cases I don't know exact url. E.g maybe by accident or because I think it is right I try to access page about Sun with lower case "sun" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/'''sun''') or I write World War 2 with spaces and 2 instead of II can I somehow get the information abot the right url?

Thank you in advanced. I would be very grateful if someone would help me.

Uros Pocek&nbsp;[[User:Uros Pocek|Uros Pocek]] ([[User talk:Uros Pocek|talk]]) 20:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{reply|Uros Pocek}} Well, there is the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go advanced search] feature. There may be an API for it. It returns a list of pages that might be a match for the string searched. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 21:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{U|Uros Pocek}}, there is no point looking for <nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sun or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/heat or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/gravity</nowiki> or whatever, as no Wikipedia article has a title starting with a lowercase letter. (There are ''apparent'' exceptions, such as the article [[iPhone]], but in reality they're not exceptions: the "iPhone" article is at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Uros Pocek}} If you guess a wrong title then it will often be a redirect to the wanted article. You can test for redirects. See [[:mw:API:Query#Resolving redirects]]. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=World%20War%202&redirects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sun automatically redirects to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun with capital S. This is also detected but called <code>normalized</code>: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=sun&redirects. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== The Wayback Machine ==

Why do I get the message saying "Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine." When trying to archive certain sources such as [https://www.thespectrum.com/story/entertainment/arts/is-my-geek-showing/2015/11/12/geekshow-podcasts-message-dont-geek/75514670/ The Spectrum].&nbsp;[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 20:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:I believe that some sites don't want their material to be archived and request to be excluded, or they block the Wayback machine's archiver IP address. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 20:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|TipsyElephant}}, try [https://archive.ph/https://www.thespectrum.com/story/entertainment/arts/is-my-geek-showing/2015/11/12/geekshow-podcasts-message-dont-geek/75514670/]. — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> ([[User talk:Alexis Jazz|talk]] or ping me) 00:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Anachronist|Alexis Jazz}} so it's not that the sources which cannot be archived are unreliable as much as it is that the website does not allow their content to be archived? [[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 01:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|TipsyElephant}} Yes, sites can opt out of automatic archiving like they can opt out of search engine indexing. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.74|192.76.8.74]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.74|talk]]) 01:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== An admin is harassing me!! I just want to edit Wikipedia without being constantly intimidated by a powerful admin. :( ==

Please can you ask them to stop? If I do they will block me... :( <br>
See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1044883116 this diff] and also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Speedcuber1&diff=prev&oldid=1044884066 this diff]<br>
I really don't like it, please do something about this :/&nbsp;[[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber1]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1#top|talk]]) 23:13, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
<br>
I haven't been disruptive on the admin board, I'm only trying to help, but I just can't have them harassing me anymore. [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber1]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1#top|talk]]) 23:15, 18 September 2021 (UTC)<br>
They also purposely made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Speedcuber1&action=history these edits] to my user page. I can't see how an admin of over 5 years can do this by mistake. Please ask them to stay away from me! :// [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber1]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1#top|talk]]) 23:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{re|Speedcuber1}} I don't see any harassment.  {{re|Floquenbeam}} has indicated that they will be willing to discuss more with you tomorrow, so just be patient, and consider taking a break.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 23:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:: It is clear from the message on your talk page that the user page edits were not done intentionally but instead due to some error due to editing via phone.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 23:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:::This is the second admin (in three days) that Speedcuber1 has incorrectly accused of harassment [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=1044538077&oldid=1044537642]. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 23:44, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{re|Meters}} I just feel intimidated at the moment as they have a lot of power on here. [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber1]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1#top|talk]]) 23:51, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::You not liking a comment by an admin does '''not''' make it harassment. I suggest you read [[WP:NPA]] and stop throwing that term around. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 00:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::What a massive time suck this user has been.  See [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Speedcuber1&diff=next&oldid=897954268]]. The user was blocked, created socks to avoid them and then used one to insult the blocking admin's wife. Why he's not indeffed for good is baffling to me. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 00:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{re|Timtempleton}} I was young and immature. I grown up and sincerely apologised to Floquenbeam in my unblock request, and he accepted my apology. Please don't bring up drama from the past, as both me and Floquenbeam, don't want to hear it. Seriously why would you bring this up? He's going to have to see this now. Please revert the edit as it's not good for any of us. [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1|talk]]) 01:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{edit conflict}} {{re|Timtempleton}} I'm likewise baffled. I have a feeling that this user is very young, perhaps even a minor, given all of the smileys, their repeated identity crises regarding their username, the fact that they only seem to edit in project space and talk space, silly edits like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&oldid=1045125902] consisting of an update to their signature to make it more aesthetically pleasing to themselves, being more interested in chatting than contributing useful content to mainspace, and their impatience for resolution to this matter, when the admin who ''accidentally'' reverted their user page (something very difficult to avoid all of the time on mobile phones, the darned things just aren't built for input exactitude) has promised to discuss it with them tomorrow. They kind of remind me of when I was 12 and wanted resolution now now now because I knew I had school tomorrow or it was getting close to bedtime. I really think this user needs to come back when they're older and more mature—[[WP:CIR]]. Should we affect a Teahouse [[WP:BOOMERANG]]? Such seems extreme, but is there really any reason to believe that they're going to begin contributing more time to the project than the time they suck, when they think an accidental edit by an adult is "intimidation"? (Written after edit conflict: {{u|Speedcuber1}} is putting {{xt|I was young and immature}} in the past tense when there's evidence in spades of immaturity here and even with the speed of human development in adolescence no reason to believe that they are not still young.) [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 01:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::Please can we close this discussion and move on? Yes, I'm still young. From now on I will take a break from the boards and focus on reverting vandalism, and putting general notes regarding any users' vandalism on their talk page using twinkle. I have done this in the past and I know how to use twinkle to a good standard. Let's move on. [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1|talk]]) 01:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:Nothing here is remotely approaching "Harassment", unless you are able to actually provide evidence backing up your claims this is going to be treated as a personal attack. An admin pointing out that your disruptive editing is disruptive is not harassment. An admin telling you to stop using the administrative noticeboards for stupid shit like asking for tech support [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1044774119] is not harassment. An admin telling you that your comments on the administrator's noticeboard are not helpful is not harassment. The edits to your userpage were obviously made in error and they told you this in your talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Speedcuber1&diff=1044958568&oldid=1044953255]. You should not be "hanging around" the admin boards until you have significantly more experience and are actually able to contribute to discussions there in a productive manner. You were only very recently unblocked from an indefinite block for disruptive editing and socking, stop mucking about in administrative areas where you are obviously out of your depth or you are going to find yourself blocked again. Playing the victim card here and acting like it's the administrator's fault is not going to end well. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.74|192.76.8.74]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.74|talk]]) 01:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|192.76.8.74}} Please don't stir the pot. I'm only on Wikipedia for two things. To help out, and revert vandalism. Let's move on from this. Floquenbeam is just trying to help me out by telling me what to focus on within my edits. I'm glad that he's giving me guidance as I did ask for this somewhere around the time of my unblock request. [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1|talk]]) 01:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{re|Speedcuber1}} You've done no reversion of vandalism since the 16<sup>th</sup> and seem to be under the impression that Wikipedia is a social media site, it is not. Sometimes the best way to help the project is to leave it until you're more mature…if the time you spend helping the project is not offset by the time other editors spend dealing with your crises (of identity, of unblocking, of so called harassment) then it is an obvious fact that you are a net negative. I wish it wasn't so but that's mathematics. Time to get serious about really helping out without creating the need for other editors to notice you constantly. You'll know you're succeeding when your recent changes are all reversions of vandalized pages and no one is having to constantly tend to you. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 01:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} {{replyto|Speedcuber1}} You're "Glad" for their guidance? Two hours ago you were claiming that it was "Harassment" and asking for someone to "do something" about them because they accidentally used rollback on your userpage! The point is that your "Helping out" at the administrative noticeboards is not helpful - multiple admins have told you this so stop doing it. As a "New" editor you should be focusing on content creation and learning policies and guidelines - go find an article and work on it. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.74|192.76.8.74]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.74|talk]]) 01:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
{{re|Psiĥedelisto}} {{re|192.76.8.74}} Thanks so much to both of you for these replies, I really appreciate them, they motivate me. [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1|talk]]) 01:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:You are quite welcome. {{re|El_C}} I am pinging you to keep you abreast of the latest shenanigans of your [[emancipated minor]]. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 01:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::You've took it too far. Your comment above is totally messed up. [[User:Speedcuber1|Speedcuber]] ([[User talk:Speedcuber1|talk]]) 01:54, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::And Speedcuber1 has now taken this to AN (twice) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=1045140361&oldid=1045140142] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=1045140142&oldid=1045120334]. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 02:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::::OP has retired, and then been indef'ed. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 03:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::Excellent. Not gravedancing, but please keep an eye out for socks. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 03:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I have indefinitely blocked this editor so that any decision to return from retirement needs to be approved by an administrator. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 04:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== move the page draft to live  ==

how to move the page draft to live&nbsp;[[User:Sarwagyaguruji|Sarwagyaguruji]] ([[User talk:Sarwagyaguruji|talk]]) 06:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|Sarwagyaguruji}} I assume you're referring to [[Draft:Sarwagya Bhooshan]]. You currently have zero sources, making it unsuitable to be moved into the mainspace as a live article. Please read [[Wp:YFA]] and add in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to back up your claims. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 07:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
::I have added a "submit for review" button to the draft, but don't bother submitting it until you have cited sources that demonstrate notability of the topic. See [[Wikipedia:Golden rule]] to get an idea of what is required. If you submit it now, you'll just waste a reviewer's time and it would be declined. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 07:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
::: I see that the OP has ignored your advice and this morning has 3 times tried to move the draft to mainspace.  The first two attempts were moved back to draft space to incubate, but the third time resulted in deletion.  Why do people come here to ask questions and then ignore the answers?  --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 08:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== Would really appreciate your help setting up a merger discussion and getting the tags right. ==

I’m looking to set up a merger proposal for [[Greco-Buddhism]] and [[Gandharan Buddhism]] however I feel like I’ve messed up somehow. Could someone please help with the formatting. I’m looking to get the contents of Gandharan Buddhism added to Greco-Buddhism if that helps. Thank you.&nbsp;[[User:KashKarti|KashKarti]] ([[User talk:KashKarti|talk]]) 12:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|KashKarti}} Could you link me to the discussion you've started? While I can't cast my vote on the discussion (that would be [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing]]) I can help make sure you've set it up correctly. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 14:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

::Thank you. I’ve started the discussion on the talk page of [[Greco-Buddhism]].[[User:KashKarti|KashKarti]] ([[User talk:KashKarti|talk]]) 15:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|KashKarti}} You did pretty good. THe only thing you forgot was the link to the article you want to be merged into [[Greco-Buddhism]] and the {{[[Template:Merge to|Merge to]]}} template on the [[Gandharan Buddhism]] article. You also forgot your signature on the talk page of [[Greco-Buddhism]]. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 15:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== add empty wikisource author page on  [[Leonora Speyer]]? ==

works of [[Leonora Speyer]] on  [https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Leonora_Speyer wikisource] is empty. is it ok to add it on enwiki?&nbsp;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 06:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

:I don't understand your question. If you are asking "Is it OK to add works by Speyer (works that are in the public domain) to English-language Wikipedia?", then the answer is "No it isn't, because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a text repository." -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 10:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Hoary}} no, i meant to add template [[Template:Wikisource|Wikisource]] in last headline "External links". [[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">— ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 12:27, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Aha! Yes, now I understand. Normally, {{U|Ashtamatrikas}}, you'd be welcome to do this. You might use [[Template:Wikisource author]]. This says that Wikisource has material by the person. But as you pointed out, Wikisource ''doesn't'' have material by Speyer. The message would therefore be untrue, and the template would be unhelpful. So please don't add it. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{u|Hoary}} yes, i was hesitant about adding empty link. hence requested an opinion here. also thank you for bringing to my attention about [[Template:Wikisource author]] (more appropriate here because she also a writer).  [[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">— ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 15:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== What are considered reliable sources adequate enough to create a wiki article? ==

Hello! I have an article about an author/playwright. All the information in the article comes from the man himself. There are no sources I can cite or give credit to. It is under my understanding that you need sources in order to publish a Wiki article. What type of sources are deemed acceptable. Is there a loophole around this holdback seeing as the information comes from the source himself?&nbsp;[[User:Robert Eddison|Robert Eddison]] ([[User talk:Robert Eddison|talk]]) 16:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Robert Eddison}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. See [[WP:RS|Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] for what constitutes a reliable source in general, and [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources]] for a list of sources that have been frequently discussed on wether they are reliable or not. There is no loophole around providing reliable sources, because there would no way for Wikipedia to [[WP:V|verify]] what has been written, and we are [[WP:BLP|not interested]] in a rerun of [[Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident|the Seigenthaler incident]]. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 17:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Robert Eddison}}. The relevant core content policies are [[WP:OR|No original research]] and, as mentioned above, [[WP:V|Verifiability]]. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 17:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== Meaning of a sentence (Armenian genocide) ==

Hi, I'm contemplating a translation of [[Deir ez-Zor camps]] into fr, however there's a sentence that's very unclear to me. Could you please help me? Rephrase or explain?

''When the refugees, including women and children, reached Deir ez-Zor, they cooked grass, ate dead birds, and although there was a cave near the Deir ez-Zor for prisoners to store until they starved, no "camp" seems ever to have been planned for the Armenians.''

So the prisoners were to a desert and there were no supplies at all, so all they could eat was grass and dead birds, which is a sure way to cause starvation. Understood. But I don't understand the meaning of the [[cave]] to store (to store what?). The prisoners could use a cave (?) to store (store what? store their own supplies?) until they starved?

Best regards, --- [[User:Bédévore|Bédévore]] <sup>[[User Talk:Bédévore|[knock knock]]]</sup> 17:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;- [[User:Bédévore|Bédévore]] <sup>[[User Talk:Bédévore|[knock knock]]]</sup> 17:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Bédévore}}. My best guess is that it is a typographical error and the word should be "stay" instead of "store". To be sure, you can try to obtain the the book used as a reference and find out more about this cave. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 17:24, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|Cullen328}} thanks for telling me it must be a typing mistake. It was and I eventually found the original sentence, which makes sense! Best regards, - [[User:Bédévore|Bédévore]] <sup>[[User Talk:Bédévore|[knock knock]]]</sup> 17:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== Creating an article ==

Can I please ask, how can I create an article here in Wikipedia?<!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Njenjesi Chulumanco|Njenjesi Chulumanco]] ([[User talk:Njenjesi Chulumanco#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Njenjesi Chulumanco|contribs]]) </span>
:{{re|Njenjesi Chulumanco}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. See [[WP:YFA|Your first article]] for guidance. However, please be aware that sucessfully creating a new article is harder than it looks. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 17:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@ Victor Schmidt: thanks <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Njenjesi Chulumanco|Njenjesi Chulumanco]] ([[User talk:Njenjesi Chulumanco#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Njenjesi Chulumanco|contribs]]) </span>

:Hello, {{U|Njenjesi Chulumanco}}: welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that your question (which is one we get often at this page) is a bit like "How can I build a house?" The best answer to that is "First, spend a few years learning the trade of house-building". A Wikipedia article isn't quite as big and complicated as a house, so I would say months rather than years; but experience shows that people who come here and start trying to create an article before they have learnt quite a lot about how Wikipedia works usually have a frustrating and disappointing time, I strongly suggest that you put that idea aside for a few months, while you work on improving some of our existing six million articles (most of them could be improved) and learning how the huge monster that is Wikipedia actually works. <small>By the way, your putting a '@' before Victor's name isn't enough for him to get notified that you have replied. You need to use a template such as {{tl|u}} or {{tl|ping}} (I have started this reply with <nowiki>{{U|Njenjesi Chulumanco}}</nowiki> to notify you); ''and'' to sign your messgae with four tildes ('<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>') to get the software to notify somebody.</small> --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

{{re|Colin Fine}}: Thanks again mam. Really helpful🙏🙏🙏. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Njenjesi Chulumanco|Njenjesi Chulumanco]] ([[User talk:Njenjesi Chulumanco#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Njenjesi Chulumanco|contribs]]) </span>

== So I want help ==

As a former naughty person I want to fight graffiti but how do People do it fast and I wanna know&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2601:1C2:101:3480:0:0:0:AFC4|2601:1C2:101:3480:0:0:0:AFC4]] ([[User talk:2601:1C2:101:3480:0:0:0:AFC4|talk]]) 18:05, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: Thanks for wanting to help.  Check out the [[WP:CVUA]], a place to train on fighting vandalism.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 18:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hello IP! While Wikipedia doesn't really get all that much graffiti, we do get vandalism, which graffiti is a form of. Please see the above the link. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 18:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::IP address 2601... has been blocked for two weeks because all edits (all made today) have been reverted. As to how it happens fast, there are automated programs that revert obvious vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/157.157.52.49|157.157.52.49]] ([[User talk:157.157.52.49|talk]]) 18:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== Local News Coverage ==

Does local news coverage contribute to notability?&nbsp;[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 15:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|TipsyElephant}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Notability is demonstrated by significant coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. Local ones are not necessarily a problem in and of themselves, but depending on the subject matter local coverage, if that's all there is, might suggest a lack of notability. It's hard to say without knowing the subject at issue. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::Here is an example that may be helpful. The [[WP:NPOL|notability guideline for politicians]] says that there is a strong consensus that state and provincial legislators are presumed notable. So, coverage in local news outlets of such a politician is fine to build an article. On the other hand, a run of the mill local pizza parlor may have received routine reviews in a few local news outlets. Few editors would agree that the pizzeria is notable. Context matters. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 17:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{re|331dot|Cullen328}} I'm specifically wondering about an article I had restored called [[Draft:Geekshow Podcast]]. I originally had it restored because it looked like there was plenty of news coverage of the show, but now that I've spent some time on it I've realized that pretty much every news source is local. [[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 19:33, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== My sandbox reflects the information of the userpage ==

Hi, I need some help with my current draft. I'm working on the draft and trying to code but the Sandbox somehow indicates that it is my userpage. Please, let me know if I'm doing anything wrong here&nbsp; --[[User:GarryGaller|GarryGaller]] ([[User talk:GarryGaller|talk]]) 19:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[[User:GarryGaller|GarryGaller]] ([[User talk:GarryGaller|talk]]) 19:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GarryGaller/sandbox
: {{re|GarryGaller}} Your sandbox (which has your draft article) is at [[User:GarryGaller/sandbox]] and your user page is at [[User:GarryGaller]].  Can you clarify your question?  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 20:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|RudolfRed|RudolfRed}}. Thanks for a quick resonse. The problem is seen at the Infobox which shows my username, while I added the infobox with these parameters for John R. Stuelpnagel:

{{short description|American entrepreneur and inventor}}
{{Infobox person
| name = John Stuelpnagel
| birth_name = John R. Stuelpnagel
| image =
| image_size =
| caption =
| birth_date =
| birth_place =
| nationality =[[USA|American]]
| occupation = Founder and [[CEO]] of [[Illumina, Inc.]] (1998 - 2009)<br />Chairman and Co-founder of Fabric Genomics (2009 - Present)<br/>Chairman of [[10x Genomics]] (2013 - Present)
| alma mater = [[University of California, Davis]] (B.S) (D.V.M.)<br />[[UCLA Anderson School of Management]] (MBA)
| net_worth =
| spouse =
| children =
| website = {{URL|https://fabricgenomics.com}}
}}--[[User:GarryGaller|GarryGaller]] ([[User talk:GarryGaller|talk]]) 20:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{re|GarryGaller}} When I did "preview", the info box showed a lot of errors.  I removed the extra spaces in the info box and it seems to have fixed it.  I'm not sure why. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 20:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
== New user question ==
how to delete photos i uploaded and artical i uploaded. it is my firt day&nbsp;[[User:Amandassassa|Amandassassa]] ([[User talk:Amandassassa|talk]]) 20:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{re|Amandassassa}} For the article, you can add {{t|Db-author}} to the page, and an administrator will delete it for you.  Same for the photo, I think.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 20:55, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== Deletion of Redirect page for New article ==

What should I do in order to delete [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adnan_Aslan&redirect=no this redirect page]]? I created this page by confusing this person with another well-known/notable figure [Ednan Aslan]. Now I'd like to create an article for him i.e., Adnan Aslan. Please help.&nbsp;[[User:Mosesheron|Mosesheron]] ([[User talk:Mosesheron|talk]]) 21:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{re|Mosesheron}} You can either edit that redirect page directly, and create the new article there.  Or, you can create the new article as a draft and the draft reviewer will move it into place over the redirect.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 21:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:: {{re|RudolfRed}} Thank you. [[User:Mosesheron|Mosesheron]] ([[User talk:Mosesheron|talk]]) 21:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== Sandbox Links ==
Can I list potentially useful sources in my Sandbox or is that an example of [[WP:LINKFARM]] that will lead to my sandbox being blanked or something?&nbsp;[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 19:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|TipsyElephant}} It's perfectly okay if the links are used in your Wikipedia editing, like a source to use later or a reference that you look up often. If the links have no relevance to Wikipedia, then it's best that you put them somewhere else. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 20:07, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: I have useful-to-me links in my user page; and I've just noticed that {{U|Toccata quarta}} has recommended-to-others links in theirs. (The latter include a link to [[Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes]], which I hadn't previously encountered, and which I warmly recommend as well.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 22:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== Procedure for Disambig page after Merge? ==

I boldly merged [[Fish slice]] into [[Fishcake]] for being inadequately sourced and nothing coming up in a search. [[Fish slice]] was deemed the primary topic, and there is a [[Fish slice (kitchen utensil)]], which I think gets to have the main name? And that renders the [[Fish slice (disambiguation)]] moot, right? 

Do I just made an AfD for the disambiguation page? Should the utensil page get a hatnote saying "for the dish called fish slice, see [[Fish cake]]" or is that lame because I've already deemed it non-notable? Is there a step I'm missing? I'm a bit tired and I don't quite know if there's a WP: term for this operation.

Thanks, [[User:Estheim|Estheim]] ([[User talk:Estheim|talk]]) 05:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Estheim|Estheim]] ([[User talk:Estheim|talk]]) 05:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|Estheim}} I think it was the right call to merge the two articles. To answer your question, [[Fish slice (kitchen utensil)]] should be moved to [[Fish slice]], as it's the only subject using that exact name. The utensil page should use a hatnote, as you said. [[Fish slice (disambiguation)]] should stay as is.<p>{{strikethrough|But actually, my American brain thinks [[Fish slice (kitchen utensil)]] should be merged into [[Spatula]], unless there's some difference that I'm not getting. In that case, [[Fish slice]] should redirect to [[Spatula]] because that's the more common usage in English, and a hatnote with {{tl|redirect}} should be at [[Spatula]].}} [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 07:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:: Found some past discussions coming to no consensus for merge, so striking that out. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 07:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::<small>Not only that but a spatula in the US is basically a tool for spreading frosting. The british Spatula is a pancake turner.</small> ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 15:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|Ganbaruby}} Does the [[Fish slice]] redirect need to be deleted before the utensil page can be moved to the new name? Or is that a history merge kind of deal since it had content? (I've added the hat note to the utensil, and also cleaned up the disambig so it offers an article on the food or the utensil.) [[User:Estheim|Estheim]] ([[User talk:Estheim|talk]]) 16:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Estheim}} To my understanding, [[WP:HISTMERGE]] only really applies to fixing copy-and-paste moves. Instead, [[Fish slice]] should be deleted. Here's how: make sure all salvageable information from the old article is at [[Fishcake]] (which isn't much). Explain what you did at [[Talk:Fishcake]] (similar to what you did at [[Talk:Fish slice]]) for transparency. Then, file a request at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]]. While I doubt someone will object, it's better to check with an admin familiar with complex moves, who will either move it for you or tell you why not. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 19:33, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Ganbaruby}} I have done so. Now it's a matter of waiting. Thanks for your help :) [[User:Estheim|Estheim]] ([[User talk:Estheim|talk]]) 01:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== How does WP:PLOT apply to non-plot sections? ==

Hello, I have familiarized myself with WP:PLOT, but it does not address character sections in articles on fiction. Some articles may have plot sections that comply with WP:PLOT, but then have huge bloated character sections where each character has a massive profile that goes into everything they do in the story. This seems highly contrary to the intent of WP:PLOT, but I've seen the argument that WP:PLOT doesn't apply to character sections, or that character sections are standard in fiction articles. Are there any guidelines on how character sections should be handled?&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541|2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541]] ([[User talk:2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541|talk]]) 01:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
: You might want to read [[Wp:FANCRUFT]]. My rule of thumb is to write "as little as possible". Describe the most crucial pieces of information so that readers can understand the plot. If there's an important event in the character's arc, mention that. Ultimately, where to draw the line is done by [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] among editors, so if you're starting from scratch, go with what you think is reasonable detail and not fancruft-ey. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 02:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Unofficial translations for non English language content ==

Hello, I have a question about names and terminology for non English language content. If there is an article about something which has not been officially translated to English, but there are unofficial translations, should the terminology use the original source language names or the unofficial translations? Thanks.&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541|2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541]] ([[User talk:2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541|talk]]) 01:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
: Hello IP, I deal with Chinese-language subjects quite often. Look for [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in English that talk about the subject, and determine which English name is most commonly used. If there are no English reliable sources, but a translation is commonly thrown around in non-reliable places (Internet forums, blog posts, etc), I'll go with that. If ''that'' doesn't exist, then I go with a transliteration. May I ask which foreign language you're dealing with? [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 01:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::I'm thinking of Japanese pop culture fiction in this case, for which there are few truly reliable sources. Is an unofficial translation really the right choice even if it's clearly a bad one, simply because it's commonly used? The idea of Wikipedia further proliferating erroneous terminology/translations feels sketchy to me. [[Special:Contributions/2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541|2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541]] ([[User talk:2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541|talk]]) 02:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:::I had a feeling this was something Japanese haha. I'd say that a direct romanization would be a safe option, and you can create redirects later to cover your bases. Good luck! [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 02:17, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Teahouse: What is Teahouse? and why is it important to me? ==

&nbsp;[[User:Ameliahampton03|Ameliahampton03]] ([[User talk:Ameliahampton03|talk]]) 02:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
: Hello {{u|Ameliahampton03}}, the Teahouse is a place for new editors like you to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. If you ever run into a situation on Wikipedia where you're not sure how to proceed, feel free to ask here (be specific), and experienced editors will try to help you. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 02:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== how integrate "Bibliography" on [[Floy Little Bartlett]] ==

there is already Bibliography headline. however [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout|Manual of Style/Layout]] says "avoid bibliography, confusable with reference citations". should i delete headline with citation or convert it to as an additional reference for the sentence "Doubleday published ''The Busy Book'' by Bartlett about activities that children can do to keep busy."&nbsp;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">— ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 15:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|Ashtamatrikas}} The book is published by Bartlett, right? If so, use the word "Publications" for the header instead. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 02:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{u|Ganbaruby}} there is publications headline existing on article. so, dilemma. [[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">— ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 03:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Ashtamatrikas}} Ooh, didn't notice that. Dilema indeed. It's not that big of an issue IMO, so I'd just leave it. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 04:37, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== i can't edit anything ==

&nbsp;[[User:Ayansharma214sar|Ayansharma214sar]] ([[User talk:Ayansharma214sar|talk]]) 07:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Ayansharma214sar|Ayansharma214sar]] You have been partially blocked from Article space as per the notice on your [[User talk:Ayansharma214sar|talk page]] and also please read [[WP:ANB#Unsourced, repeatedly reverted edits by Ayansharma214sar|this discussion on WP:ANB]] concerning you. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 07:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== A question on WP:OTHER ==

Would referring to another deletion discussion in an AFD be counted under [[WP:OTHER]]? That is, if something was done in another AFD, can that AFD be cited to do the same thing in another AFD? My educated guess is No since it would depend on context. But want more opinions. &nbsp;[[User:Nomadicghumakkad|Nomadicghumakkad]] ([[User talk:Nomadicghumakkad|talk]]) 23:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|Nomadicghumakkad}} You're correct that you can't solely base an argument on a prior AfD result, since AfD should be done on a case by case basis. That being said, if the past discussion is relevant to the current discussion, or if someone made a good point in the past discussion that you also think applies, it's okay to point those out and help editors reach a consensus. WP:OTHER does not blanket-ban referencing other discussions if they're useful. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 00:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Nomadicghumakkad}} I'd add to this that the amount of participation at the discussion is relevant. If only two or three people turned up (or even fewer, as is often happening at AFD nowadays) then it's not much evidence that the result matched normal community standards, but if it had 10 participants then that's much more compelling as an example to point to (if the cases are genuinely quite similar). — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 08:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Review before draft posting ==

Hello,
This is the first time I am posting an article on Wikipedia and the process is quite intimidating. I have reviewd the guidelines related to the topic of bitcoin and I think this article respects these guidelines. 

Could you tell me if I can click on the "draft review" or an experienced editor has to have a look again? 
Thanks for the clarification.&nbsp;[[User:User67343322|User67343322]] ([[User talk:User67343322|talk]]) 10:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
: One of the things which you ought to do before you submit the draft for review is to remove the misplaced [[WP:external links|external links]] from the article text.  If appropriate you could replace them by [[WP:REFB|references]].  - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 10:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|User67343322}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button to actually submit your draft. You should be aware that you have chosen a challenging area in which to edit(bitcoin) with its own special rules; I posted more information about this on your user talk page. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== HOW TO COMMEMORATE BY GRAND FATHER. ==

HOW TO COMMEMORATE BY GRAND FATHER.

Hello Teahouse I'm Edgar Allan N. Flores, grand son of Alejandro Evangelista Flores Senior. I would like to commemorate my grand father through this wikipedia. My reliable source of information is my father Alejandro Santiago Flores Junior, son of my grand father. Any tips on how to start our account.Thank you[[User:Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr.|Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr.]] ([[User talk:Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr.|talk]]) 08:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr.|Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr.]] ([[User talk:Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr.|talk]]) 08:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:[[User:Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr.|Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr.]], you have already started your account; it's "Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr." Wikipedia articles are based on reliable, published sources that are independent of their subjects. However reliable he may be, and even if his material is published, your proposed source is not independent of your proposed subject. And you aren't independent of your proposed subject either. Therefore please do not attempt to create a draft. If you'd like to commemorate your grandfather, please do so on some other website. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:Please also see [[WP:NOTMEMORIAL]], {{U|Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr.}}. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Rename request ==

Hello,

Today (Sep. 20, 2021) I created a page for my company and now the tittle of the page is my user name and not the company's name.

I placed a 'rename request' and now the status is: 'pending approval'. I would like to know when I'm going to have news about it.

Thank you very much.&nbsp;[[User:Ccruzloudly|Ccruzloudly]] ([[User talk:Ccruzloudly|talk]]) 11:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:I've moved it to [[User:Ccruzloudly/sandbox]]. It says that the company "offers music solutions of many types". What is a "music solution"? That aside, if you are an employee, then the company is paying you money for what you do, and part of this is writing a draft, so it's a paid contribution. Please read [[Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure]] very carefully, and do what it tells you to do. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hoary|contribs]]) 11:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)</span>

:Please be aware, {{U|Ccruzloudly}}, that if you succeed in getting your draft accepted as an article, the article will not belong to your company, it will not be under control of you or your company, it may end up saying things you don't want it to say, and it should be based almost 100% on what people unconnected with the company have published about it, not on what the company says or wants to say. At present, the only one of the references that even ''might'' be independent is the DJTechTools one, and that does not really have [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]] of the company. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:39, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Maps without citations, original research? ==

What is the policy on wikipedia when it comes to maps that are non-cited.

From my understanding, maps are acceptable when they have a source. This can include an interpretation of a textual description, which would not be original research. It could also be an original conversion or "translation" from a historical map or a map that has citations from a book, to a more legible digital form. This is particularly useful when the image being conveyed is more focused on general labels.

But in all those cases, you still need some sort of source or citation. But some maps have none. Now perhaps they are based off of data. But without the data being cited, how can we know?

And the way maps are depicted, particularly of historical areas, can be very misleading. Particularly when it comes to borders (which is why I appreciate when older maps of cultures have a blur effect on the edge rather than a solid line). This can further bias the difference between areas when one is depicted in their article as having a blurry border, while a comparable group in another article is depicted with a solid border, even though, during that era, borders were effectively just as malleable.

As two examples of maps I'm having issues with:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ancient_Egypt_and_Mesopotamia_c._1450_BC.png
This map has no citations. On one page, it has a description, but it does not say whether or not the map is based off that description nor where that description came from, and that information is not located on the page for the image itself.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Black_Drink_map_HRoe_2008.jpg
That image has multiple issues, notably the writing within the image, but the primary issue I have with it is the lack of any source. Theres no way to know where the information from this image came from. And there is a LOT of elements within that image.

The problem is... if these maps are acceptable without citations, it can gravely distort what is being conveyed from what is actually known.

If they are not acceptable... well then wikipedia has an endemic issue with citations from my quick look at some of the other maps. As I said before, plenty of maps are fine, but tons would be unacceptable.

And, if they are not acceptable, I'm a little lost at how I should make such known. I could post about it on one of the pages that uses said image... but the issue is with the image itself and it's data. At the same time, I respect that its possible an image DOES have citations that were omitted, and it would be reasonable to give the author the ability to add that data. In the mean-time, would the image stay up? Or be taken down until sources are provided? And... how would I go about doing that when it comes to the image itself, not just the articles its used in?

Thanks!&nbsp;[[User:GalacticKiss|GalacticKiss]] ([[User talk:GalacticKiss|talk]]) 08:09, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:GalacticKiss|GalacticKiss]] Good question, and I have no idea. You could try asking at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

::{{re|GalacticKiss|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}} actually I'd say it's an issue for  the [[WP:NORN|no original research noticeboard]] as it's a policy violation. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 15:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Notability ==

I wish to write an article on a switch emulator named Ryujinx. I found  articles about it on 
https://boilingsteam.com/ryujinx-switch-emulator-gets-the-vulkan-treatment/
https://www.thenerdmag.com/how-to-setup-ryujinx-nintendo-switch-emulator-on-windows-10-and-play-switch-games/
https://wccftech.com/ryujinx-nintendo-switch-emulator-just-got-a-massive-performance-boost/
etc...

Is my subject notable?&nbsp;[[User:SakuraMiyazono|SakuraMiyazono]] ([[User talk:SakuraMiyazono|talk]]) 13:39, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|SakuraMiyazono}} Another Switch emulator.. interesting. Well if it's gotten enough coverage by reliable secondary sources then my guess would be yes, but let's wait for someone who knows whether or not the sources you found are reliable or not. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 13:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:Per aboutpages [https://boilingsteam.com/about-boiling-steam-2/][https://www.thenerdmag.com/about-us/] seems to be [[WP:BLOGS]]. The third one [https://wccftech.com/about/] looks a little better, but per ''"If you are a marketer looking for ways to connect your brand with our audience, please contact us at"'' one wonders how independent they are. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 14:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}} What about https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/04/19/2-nintendo-switch-emulators-are-operational-and-running-gameplay/?sh=d7c24cf1ef2f?[[User:SakuraMiyazono|SakuraMiyazono]] ([[User talk:SakuraMiyazono|talk]]) 14:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::@[[User:SakuraMiyazono|SakuraMiyazono]] Please read [[WP:NSOFTWARE]]. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 14:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::@[[User:SakuraMiyazono|SakuraMiyazono]], I swear I didn't make up this one to mess with you: [[WP:FORBESCON]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 14:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] Thanks for your help. I was making sure whether the subject for my article is notable.- [[User:SakuraMiyazono|SakuraMiyazono]] ([[User talk:SakuraMiyazono|talk]]) 14:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}} When I looked at that it actually confused me because I had been told that Forbes is reliable, but then I saw that really only the staff written articles on Forbes are reliable. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 14:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Blaze The Wolf|Blaze The Wolf]] Yeah, there are a few RSP entries that are "split." Some newspapers have "blog" sections too. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 15:12, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks everyone. - [[User:SakuraMiyazono|SakuraMiyazono]] ([[User talk:SakuraMiyazono|talk]]) 14:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Support for editing and resubmiting an article  ==

Hello Team, My name is Arun and I recently opened a Wikipedia account in the name of Username: vishuddhalive, My first article was about an actor in my home town Kozhikode Kerala, India. As this was my first article I had a few difficulties in adding reference links, external links and adding images to my article and a few technical editing tools. My first article is about a known friend in my home town who has acted in several movies in Indian Malayalam language cinemas and is getting popular in each work he is doing. I have read the guidelines and rules of Wikipedia and drafted this article to the best of my knowledge with all the relevant sources from online and content created by myself. But unfortunately, I could not meet the guidelines and it did not get approval for submission. Kindly note the link to my sandbox:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vishuddhalive/sandbox&redirect=no and let me know how to go about this further. I'm looking forward to contributing to Wikipedia and would like to become a reliable editor of Wikipedia. Kindle revert what to do next. 
Thank you
Arun&nbsp;[[User:Vishuddhalive|Vishuddhalive]] ([[User talk:Vishuddhalive|talk]]) 11:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:Well, [[User:Vishuddhalive|Vishuddhalive]], let's consider the section "Early Life" as an example. It cites no sources. Where did you find this material? In particular, what's your evidence for saying that "the founder of AP Balakrishna Pillai Jewellers" was "one of the trusted names in the gold and gold jewellery business in Kozhikode", and (even if you have evidence), why do you say it? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Vishuddhalive}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  If you haven't done so already, please review the [[Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 15:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Using AfC and Teahouse ==

If I were to get access to the tools used to accept or reject AfCs would it still be appropriate to submit my own drafts through AfC? Similarly, if I were to consider becoming someone who answers questions here at the Teahouse would it still be appropriate for me to ask questions here?&nbsp;[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 18:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{reply|TipsyElephant}} Yes, that's fine. I use the reviewer tools and I have also submitted a draft via AFC. There is no conflict. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 18:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|TipsyElephant}} While I can't answer your first question, the answer to your second question is most definitely yes. Even experienced editors who are Teahouse hosts need to ask questions here occasionally. For example, most recently {{u|David notMD}} asked a question here on something they weren't sure about. I myself, while not a Teahouse host (though I may have enough experience at this point to become one) ask questions here because this place is more friendly and less... well, formal compared to the Help Desk (I'm sure the Help Desk is plenty friendly, however there's a certain... vibe I get from the teahouse that makes me feel better about asking questions, for lack of better words). ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 18:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ec}}Using AFC is always optional, {{U|TipsyElephant}}. If you think you can create a satisfactory article in one go, you can create it directly in article space. If you create a draft, develop it, and then decide that it is acceptable as an article, you can move it to article space without sending it for review: it's your choice. If you are regularly reviewing drafts, then you can probably judge for yourself whether your article is ready for mainspace, but you always have the option of submitting it for review. 
:As for the Teahouse: it's supposed to be a place for beginners, so if you are answering questions here, there's a case to say that any questins you still need to ask should go to the help desk rather than here;  but nobody's likely to get upset if you post a question here. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:42, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::Interesting point {{u|ColinFine}}. I agree to a large extent, but I've seen plenty of veterans use TEA to answer questions around archiving user pages, etc. [[User:Bkissin|Bkissin]] ([[User talk:Bkissin|talk]]) 18:46, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{reply|Blaze The Wolf}} The Teahouse and Help Desk have different purposes. And I ask, and answer, questions on both. These venues exist to help anyone, even an administrator with a questions. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 18:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Anachronist}} I never really said I felt that the Teahouse and Help Desk have the same purpose. I simply just said that you can ask questions and answer questions here and that I prefer the Teahouse for asking question because.. well I"m not exactly sure how to describe it in a way that would make sense, other than the Teahouse's "vibe" feels less threatening than Help Desk. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 18:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ec}}{{U|TipsyElephant}}, as for your other question: It's completely fine to both ask and answer questions here at Teahouse. The one thing I would advise, however, is to chime in when you are sure about the answer to someone's question. We don't want to be providing people with information that may be inaccurate. [[User:Bkissin|Bkissin]] ([[User talk:Bkissin|talk]]) 18:46, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

==[[Richard Lynn]] article==

I've tried editing an article 'Richard Lynn' and another editor keeps changing it right back without discussion. The article's a dog's breakfast, as I've said at the Page Talk. The lede is dozens of lines long. The page is about a 91 year old scientist who is obviously a scientific racist and is still working. That's virtually all that's in the huge article, however. But there's no doubt that much of his work is still orthodoxy today. It should be perfectly possible to have a WP article which describes both in an appropriate way. The lede is absurd and the unusable negative POV of the whole thing has the effect of shading the legitimate criticisms of the man. If any experienced editor or admin could take a look I'd very much appreciate any thoughts. [[User:SteveCree2|SteveCree2]] ([[User talk:SteveCree2|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|SteveCree2}} The other user has explained their reverts perfectly well, you are going against an established consensus. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 15:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Skllagyook}} Pinging so you can explain your reasoning a little better to this user. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 15:07, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @blazethewolf. If the established consensus is that the lede should be dozens of lines long and that the article as a whole should be incoherent and inaccurate then I'll leave it alone. The established consensus appears to be a matter of politics and I really couldn't be less interested. [[User:SteveCree2|SteveCree2]] ([[User talk:SteveCree2|talk]]) 15:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|SteveCree2}} I'd phrase the consensus differently. For such a contentious topic as eugenics, there's a balance required between whitewashing over the topic, and respecting [[WP:BLP]]. And frequently (including here), that balance is found by making mention of their non-mainstream (aka fringe) position in the lede (being first mentioned in section 8 of the article is seen as whitewashing, a position I strongly agree with), and often the detail required to explain the notable allegations while respecting [[WP:BLP]] ends up increasing the word count.
:There might be a lighter touch that could be applied to the lede if your primary concern is length (and not that his eugenic views aren't notable). The issue seems to be that you '''''removed''''' all references to eugenics in the lede, rather than '''''condensing''''' them from ~15 sentences to ~2 sentences in the lede. If you don't want to engage in the topic because you consider it political, then that might just mean it's not the article you want to work on. [[User:Bakkster Man|Bakkster Man]] ([[User talk:Bakkster Man|talk]]) 15:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @bakksterman That Lynn is a eugenicist and racist is beyond any reasonable question or doubt. There - that's a single sentence; not 15. The rest don't belong in the lede and should be in the main body. I didn't 'condense' any of those 15 sentences, as I said at the Page Talk I put them unedited into the main body where they were more appropriate. It's not simply a matter of length, either, it's a matter of coherence. It's political, all right. But a little more subtly than readers might think. It includes a defence of the psychology establishment by not permitting any recognition that aspects of Lynn's work remains orthodox within it. It's vested interest lobbying 101. Anyhoo, nice to chat and cheerio for now. [[User:SteveCree2|SteveCree2]] ([[User talk:SteveCree2|talk]]) 15:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|SteveCree2}} in that case, my suggestion for the future (or in your remaining discussions on this article) is that when you move such a substantial topic out of the lede, you should also leave behind a summary of the topic in the lede. If you continue, I've found it beneficial to suggest such a paraphrase as part of the discussion. "This is bad" is less likely to be successful that "here's how we can improve this". Hope that helps. [[User:Bakkster Man|Bakkster Man]] ([[User talk:Bakkster Man|talk]]) 16:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @bakksterman Very helpful advice. I'll keep that in mind. [[User:SteveCree2|SteveCree2]] ([[User talk:SteveCree2|talk]]) 17:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|SteveCree2}}, when I see that a statement is cited to seven or more sources, as in the Lynn article, I suspect that something fishy is going on. In this case I have no idea on what, and no urge to find out. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 17:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

'When I see that a statement is cited..... no urge to find out'. That is the power of lobbing. But I say that with respect. Thanks @maproom <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SteveCree2|SteveCree2]] ([[User talk:SteveCree2#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SteveCree2|contribs]]) 19:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)</span>

== Changing name of a page: [[Cellink]]  ==

CELLINK recently went through a corporate transformation where their name was changed to BICO. I would like to change the name of the page to BICO, could you advise me on how this can be achieved?&nbsp;[[User:Aviminocha|Aviminocha]] ([[User talk:Aviminocha|talk]]) 20:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Aviminocha}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may request a page move at [[WP:RM|Requested Moves]].  If you work for the company, you must make a formal declaration, please see [[WP:PAID|the paid editing policy]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Draft:Andrea Unger - Submission declined on 20 September 2021 ==

Hello Teahouse, I received a page rejection and I want to explore how can I improve the page. Because I think that the person I mentioned is really notable (just to win 4 times the official Worldcup Trading Championship). Other people who won this competition (once) has been already in wikipedia (e.g. Larry Williams). What kind of resources can I use? May helps that this person is already in wikipedia with another language? Thanks in advance for your time and your suggestions. Angio92 
[[Draft:Andrea_Unger]]&nbsp;[[User:Angio92|Angio92]] ([[User talk:Angio92|talk]]) 15:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

: [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]] doesn't count. BTW, your draft has been declined, not rejected.  --[[User:CiaPan|CiaPan]] ([[User talk:CiaPan|talk]]) 15:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::Other language does not count for confirming notability. However, other language references can be used. [[Special:Contributions/157.157.52.49|157.157.52.49]] ([[User talk:157.157.52.49|talk]]) 16:23, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:Hello, {{U|Andrea Unger}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. In general, for determining [[WP:notability|notability]] in the special Wikipedia sense, it doesn't help to look at what the person has done: what matters is how much has been (independently) written about them. It is perfectly possible for two people to have done pretty much the same things, but one has been written about at length and the other not: because Wikipedia is based on independent published sources, an article could be written about the first, but not about the secod. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:49, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::Correcting misping: {{U|Angio92}}. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|ColinFine}}so, basically I think it's a good idea to add some articles (as resources) written by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Sole_24_Ore]] and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MF_Milano_Finanza]] that are the most important financial newspapers in Italy.  20:17, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Angio92}} The Wikipedia article titled [[Larry Williams]] is about an American rhythm and blues and rock and roll singer.  Maybe some of the references at [[Larry R. Williams]] would be helpful with your draft.  Happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Angio92}} There are two approaches I would take.  First, you need to establish that the competition he won is notable.  Right now, there's no Wikipedia article about it. If it had an article, you'd have a better chance convincing others that winning is a big deal. Secondly, you might look for coverage of his books. If they've been reviewed in the mainstream press, in English or Italian, that would help your case. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 18:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Timtempleton}} thanks for your suggestion! into these two Wiki's pages the competition is mentioned: [[Larry_R._Williams]] | [[Michelle_Williams_(actress)]] 20:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Angio92|Angio92]] ([[User talk:Angio92#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Angio92|contribs]]) </span>
::Yes, but notability supported by other referenced accomplishments. [[Special:Contributions/157.157.52.49|157.157.52.49]] ([[User talk:157.157.52.49|talk]]) 22:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Review times changing  ==

Hi, I have created a [[Draft:Art Aia - Creatives In Residence|draft]]and noticed that the waiting review time is changing according to the number of submissions.I have also noticed that drafts are not reviewed in a specific order. Are new article reviewed according to when the draft was submitted or it doesn't make a difference ? Thanks--[[User:Saraino|Saraino]] ([[User talk:Saraino|talk]]) 15:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Saraino|Saraino]] ([[User talk:Saraino|talk]]) 15:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Saraino|Saraino]]: Welcome to the Teahouse. It's a backlog, so there isn't any order as to when drafts are reviewed. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 15:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::@[[User:Saraino|Saraino]] from what I've read reviewers choose drafts on subjects they are interested in and knowledgable about. For example, a reviewer may be interested in science, but may know nothing about several other subjects, so will look for science-themed drafts. Reviewers are all volunteers, so its best to be patient, and wait for a volunteer with an interest in the subject you are writing about, instead of wanting drafts to be reviewed by the next available person, who may not have any understanding of the topic he or she has to review. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 23:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== Template: Pin Messages ==

hello i have a question about Archiving Suppressor Template

: we have two of them <nowiki>{{pin message}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{pin section}}</nowiki> i wonder if they work differently? or what's their main differences technically? Thanks&nbsp;[[User:Sakura emad|—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 10:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

::( anybody knows about it? [[User:Sakura emad|—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 12:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Hi [[User:Sakura emad|Sakura emad]]. The documentation at [[Template:Pin message]] and [[Template:Pin section]] explains that the latter uses the former, and you should use the latter with {{tlxs|Pin section}}. This uses [[WP:SUBST|substitution]] to both place the former template and add the actual instruction to the archiving bot. [[Template:Pin message]] is only for human readers. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::::Thank you very much [[User:Sakura emad|—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 23:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== kelvite sounding machine ==

The workings of the kelvite sounding machine(sea depth below a ship).
https://sgmuseum.gs/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/The-Illustrated-London-News-17-sept-2021_2000px.jpg
Used by Sir Ernest Shackleton and his last expedition. 
https://sgmuseum.gs/the-ship/

It is facinating to read how it works and I would consider very important naval device.
It would be wonderful for somone to write an entry on this.

http://www.gorchfock.net/db/db-03/kelvin.html
http://www.godfreydykes.info/KELVITE%20SOUNDING%20MACHINE%20-%20PART%201.pdf

Also an entry in the Royal Museum of Greenwich of how it was to be used.

https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-42898&nbsp;[[User:Mr justmehere|Mr justmehere]] ([[User talk:Mr justmehere|talk]]) 22:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:[[User:Mr justmehere|Mr justmehere]], after you've practised improving existing articles, this could be [[Help:Your first article|the first article that you start]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

::{{reply|Mr justmehere}} I am not sure if there's enough reliable source coverage for a stand-alone article. The device is mentioned in the article on [[Kelvin Hughes]] (which needs a lot of work), so maybe more information can be added there. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 23:58, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

== show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article ==

<strike>Years ago I contributed some under an account [[User:LegCircus]] that I have lost access to. I have since forgotten how to navigate issues of proving relevance and objectivity. Maybe I never really learned how to do this well.</strike>

I would like some hand holding regarding this page. '''How do I get this draft into publish worthy form? [[Draft:Publication_history_of_Whole_Earth_Catalog]]'''

This page is a list/inventory of issues, and as such there are numerous examples of similar pages. The table presented on the page above could be included in this page perhaps - [[Whole_Earth_Catalog]] - but I feel like it was proper to have them be separate pages. 

Thanks for all you do&nbsp;[[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 23:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|Jerimee}} I think this falls under [[WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE]] and shouldn't be on Wikipedia at all. Wikipedia's purpose is not to include every single piece of information on the planet, but rather, summarize select encyclopedic information. You say that {{tq|there are numerous examples of similar pages}}, but I don't ever recall a list of every issue of a magazine (except from comics), and also, [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 02:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

:: Thanks for your reply {{ping|Ganbaruby}}. Here is what OTHERSTUFFEX says ''"The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on whether other articles do or do not exist, because there is nothing stopping anyone from creating any article. (This may be an argument that this article is not bad enough to be speedily deleted; but that does not mean it should be kept.) While these comparisons are not a conclusive test, they may form part of a cogent argument; an entire comment should not be dismissed because it includes a comparative statement like this. While comparing with other articles is not, in general, a convincing argument, comparing with articles that have been through some kind of quality review such as Featured article, Good article, or have achieved a WikiProject A class rating, make a much more credible case."'' So, I'll provide examples, despite them not being sufficient.

Here is that list {{tq|numerous examples of similar pages}}:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Coronet_Films
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_D
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mystery_Science_Theater_3000_episodes
* MAG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_magazine_issues
* MAG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_in_Playboy_1960%E2%80%931969
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Films_titles

With regard to [[WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE]] the first principle seems to apply to creative works, WEC is not that. The other three principles do not apply. 

As for a positive argument...

WEC is arguably a precursor of the internet itself, and the predecessor of the [[The_WELL]]. It influenced/inspired [[Wired_(magazine)]] and a host of other projects. [[Steve Jobs]] compared ''The Whole Earth Catalog'' to Internet search engine [[Google]] in his June 2005 Stanford University [[commencement speech]]. 

Of course, I'm looking for help getting the thing published. '''What labors need to be accomplished for that to happen?'''

--[[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 18:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Jerimee}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  It might be helpful if you could provide independent reliable sources that discuss individual issues.  Happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 18:30, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|GoingBatty}} ? --[[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 20:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:: Ah! Now I get it: "provide independent reliable sources that discuss individual issues ''of whole earth catalog'' - sorry I didn't get it at first - okay that's helpful thanks --[[User:Jerimee|Jerimee]] ([[User talk:Jerimee|talk]]) 00:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

==New editor says "Hi!"==
Hi! &nbsp;[[User:Mohammed12313893|Mohammed12313893]] ([[User talk:Mohammed12313893|talk]]) 21:59, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Mohammed12313893}} Hello! Did you have a question or did you just want to say hi? ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 02:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Question ==
Question&nbsp;[[User:Bakbak13|Bakbak13]] ([[User talk:Bakbak13|talk]]) 01:19, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
What is the informational box on the right of article called and how do I create one?
:{{ping|Bakbak13}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  The informational box is called an [[Help:Infobox|infobox]].  You can create an infobox by adding the appropriate template to an article (usually at the top).  For example, ''[[Pittsburgh Quarterly]]'' uses {{tl|Infobox magazine}}, ''[[The Sopranos]]'' uses {{tl|Infobox television}}, [[Paul Rudd]] uses {{tl|Infobox person}}, and [[The Wallflower (manga)|''The Wallflower'' (manga)]] uses a series of {{tl|Infobox animanga}} templates.  Each template has documentation to show you how to fill out the appropriate parameters to display the relevant information.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Reference transcluded in multiple places ==

Hi all, I'm fixing some broken references across Wikipedia and I noticed this one on [[Bahrain_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics]]. It's because the section is transcluded in this [[Handball at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's team rosters]] article, but I assume this reference is also transcluded to other articles. How do you deal with this situation? I've looked at the Citation help pages but I can't see how to resolve it if a reference definition is needed in multiple places.&nbsp;[[User:BeReasonabl|BeReasonabl]] ([[User talk:BeReasonabl|talk]]) 12:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:BeReasonabl|BeReasonabl]]. That is tricky. The reference is indeed transcluded to other articles. I don't know a recommended solution. I improvised by copying the reference definition with a source comment that it must be identical.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Handball_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_team_rosters&diff=1045420319&oldid=1038280159] It's ugly but it works (until somebody breaks it). It's allowed to define a named reference multiple times if the definitions are identical, but it shouldn't normally be done. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 14:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{reply to|PrimeHunter}} thanks for your help again in referencing. I see how it works now, but I also understand how brittle this is. However, it seems like the only way to resolve this issue? Perhaps this is why transclusion is a contested issue on Wikipedia? Once again, thanks. [[User:BeReasonabl|BeReasonabl]] ([[User talk:BeReasonabl|talk]]) 03:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Shammi Rana Page ==

I am trying to establish a page for Mr. Shammi Rana and I need help with this, so please guide me&nbsp;[[User:Happybusan|Happybusan]] ([[User talk:Happybusan|talk]]) 03:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Happybusan}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  Another editor already suggested that you read [[Help:Referencing for beginners]].  You could try [[Help:Footnotes]] as well.  Happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:41, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Is there a reference threshold to validate Papua New Guinean related articles? ==

Papua New Guinea is still lacking a much needed online presence, many significant and relevant subjects missing from wikipedia due to lack of online news or digital academic groups/hubs. I've recently attempted to write an article on "Wan Kantri" - the 'Waltzing Matilda' of Papua New Guinea. In spite it being sung all over the country and various places around the world, I am concerned the article lacks enough references (or even what wikipedia may regard as valid references) to be regarded a valid entry. There is such a need for businesses and communities to access this information so schools and businesses can remain informed on modern developments across their country.

I would love this to be reviewed and have any suggestions how such articles can be written or validated to improve wikipedia reach among Papua New Guineans and the West Pacific. 

[[User:Pnginitiator|Pnginitiator]] ([[User talk:Pnginitiator|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)&nbsp;[[User:Pnginitiator|Pnginitiator]] ([[User talk:Pnginitiator|talk]]) 04:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Pnginitiator}}, the question of inclusion guidelines for underrepresented regions is complicated, but I'll skip ahead to the good news: looking on Google Books, I was able to find some promising results [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22song%22+%22wan+kantri%22&tbm=bks&sxsrf=AOaemvL41ipTLHYcPzMEuZ1dgFmHBp9MnA%3A1632199637555&ei=1WNJYfaKIcfi5NoPn4uywAQ&oq=%22song%22+%22wan+kantri%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1937.2109.0.2735.2.2.0.0.0.0.80.141.2.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.0p9gS4sxQy4] that should likely be enough to establish that the subject meets [[WP:N|notability guidelines]]. Now, as far as inclusion criteria go, while articles are generally expected to meet the [[WP:GNG|general notability guide]], we also accept articles about topics where sufficient sources are not available on hand but are highly likely to exist ([[WP:NPOSSIBLE]]). As far as what you can do to help, a stepping stone that would make the editing community more aware of PNG would be if you could help contribute articles about [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] from PNG (or that write about PNG), as this would vastly improve editors' ability to recognize usable sources from the country. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 04:50, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

==Edit extended-protected==

I want to add my 4-5 research articles on SARS-CoV-2 on SARS-CoV-2 wiki page but I am unable to add articles data&nbsp;[[User:Rahulbioinfowiki|Rahulbioinfowiki]] ([[User talk:Rahulbioinfowiki|talk]]) 06:49, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
: Hi {{u|Rahulbioinfowiki}}. Articles are usually [[:WP:PP|protected]] when there's a very good reason to do so. There a various different levels of protection, and "Externded confirmed protection" is explained [[:WP:ECP|here]]. If you want to edit a particular article and are unable to do so because it's protected, you can always make an [[:WP:ER|edit request]] on the article's talk page. Just make sure you make your request as clear and easy to understand as possible and also make sure that your request complies with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. In this case, you might want to look at [[:WP:CITESELF]], [[:WP:SCHOLARSHIP]] and [[:WP:MEDRS]] to make sure the sources you want to cite are appropariate for Wikipedia  before actually making your edit request. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 07:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::And what is more, {{u|Rahulbioinfowiki}}, Wikipedia is not a place to post your [[WP:OR|original research]]. We consider your attempt to republish your work on Wikipedia to be spamming. Further, you do not own the copyright to your publications with Elsevier. Elsevier owns the copyright, even if you paid them to publish your work. Even if the journal is open access. And, very few of your edits were [[WP:MINOR|"minor"]] edits, so marking them all as minor was a mistake. I will have to ask at [[WP:AN|the admin noticeboard]] to have your copyright-violating edits [[WP:REVDEL|revision deleted]]--[[User:Quisqualis|Quisqualis]] ([[User talk:Quisqualis|talk]]) 08:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== On the quality scale, what class would be [[Martine Vassal|this article]]? ==

By the number of citations, I think C-class, but by the size of the article, I think it'll come under Start Class. What would it be?&nbsp;[[User:Excellenc1|<span style="background:#58111A; color:#FFA700; padding:5px;">'''''Excellenc1'''''</span>]] (''[[User talk:Excellenc1|<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>]]'') 05:12, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

:There's no question of it being "Good", let alone "A" or "Featured"; and it hasn't been attached to any WikiProject. So I suspect that nobody other than you cares about the class of such an article. What you might do is (i) attach it (via its talk page, of course) to one or more relevant WikiProject (this in itself would be beneficial), and then, if you're still interested, (ii) ask at the talk page of that WikiProject (or the talk pages of those WikiProjects). -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 05:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Excellenc1}} When I create an article, I usually tag the WikiProjects and let other people assess its class. Don't stress out about this; the only two classes that really ''matter'' are "Good" and "Featured" anyways.[[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 05:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Excellenc1}} I added the WikiProjects for you.  Happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 06:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you {{u|GoingBatty}}. [[User:Excellenc1|<span style="background:#58111A; color:#FFA700; padding:5px;">'''''Excellenc1'''''</span>]] (''[[User talk:Excellenc1|<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>]]'') 09:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== creating Disambiguation page ==

create sub page of my username and use <code><nowiki>{{subst:submit}}</nowiki></code> on top, names of persons with text: "person may refer to:" and <code><nowiki>{{human name disambiguation}}</nowiki></code> at bottom. [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages]] clearly states the number of persons must be three or or more  and text to use on it. should i go ahead and create or am i missing anything?&nbsp;[[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">— ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 09:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Ashtamatrikas}} - If you are talking about disambiguating three or more people with the same name you should create the page directly under the format of "forename surname (disambiguation)". [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 10:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{yo|Mjroots}} done. i hope i have done correctly at [[User:Ashtamatrikas/Draft:Margaret Harrison (disambiguation)]][[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">— ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 11:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::{{re|Ashtamatrikas}} -  would you like the draft page deleted? [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 12:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{u|Mjroots}} yes, please delete it. [[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">— ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 12:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Mjroots}} in future i can also place <code><nowiki>{{db-g7}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{db-u1}}</nowiki></code> on the top of my draft page after it is moved. probably it will save time for admins. [[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">— ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 15:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Ashtamatrikas}} yes, or an admin can suppress the creation of a redirect on moving a draft. Alternative, with disambiguation pages, you can create them directly in article space without causing too much work for editors to clean up. Articles are different, and best created as sandbox/draft articles until you get the hang of it. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 15:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Mjroots}} i will create subsequent disambiguation pages in   article space. thanks for suggestion. [[User:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="background-color:#eeff1b">— ashtamatrikas</span>]] ([[User talk:Ashtamatrikas|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtamatrikas|contrib]] • [[Special:Log/Ashtamatrikas|actions]]) 16:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Difference between "Article" and "page" ==

Hello! So I just thought about this but what is the real difference between an article and a page? I usually use the terms interchangeably since to me they mean the same thing. But I want to know what the real difference between the two is.&nbsp;― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 13:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
: An article is part of the encyclopaedia itself, and is in the article or main [[Wikipedia:namespace|namespace]].  Pages can be in any namespace, with the other namespaces being there for various aspects of the administration of the project.  --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 13:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:(e/c)All articles are pages (according to Wikipedia, though many editors seem not to like to refer to articles as pages) but not all pages are articles. See for example [[Wikipedia:Glossary#P]], [[WP:PAGE]], and [[Wikipedia:What is an article?]].--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 13:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::Ah ok thank you. Good to know that I"m not wrong using them interchangeably. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 13:41, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::: They are '''NOT''' interchangeable.  An article is one type of page.  A page is not necessarily an article.  - [[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 14:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::Huh? BUt what I"m being told tells me that as long as you're referring to something in the article or main namespace it's fine. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 14:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::: If you are referring to an article it is not strictly incorrect to refer to it a page, though that is an ambiguous term.  If you are referring to another type of page, it would be incorrect to refer to it as an article, so (as I said) the terms are '''NOT''' interchangeable.  --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 14:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::Ah ok. So they are partially interchangeable, it's simply just situational as to whether or not they are. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 14:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{U|Blaze The Wolf}}, when somebody refers to an encyclopaedia article as a "page" (especially if they talk about "a page for X" or "X's page") it suggests to me that they do not understand what Wikipedia is, and think it is like social media. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::::Makes sense. When I say "page" in my mind I'm really just referring to a web page (which is what wikipedia is, along with other websites, web pages) and I'm almost never talking about social media (since then I would be saying things like "post" which sections on talk pages technically are, however most of the time it's not really treated like a social media post). ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 14:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Blaze The Wolf}} All poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles.  Similarly, all articles are pages, but not all pages are articles.  Hope this helps!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 16:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::Yep I was going to say that myself in response to one of these comments, however it's really already been stated. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 16:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Redirect Talk Pages ==

If I added a WikiProject banner to a redirect talk page is it better to include "class=redirect" or to leave it blank so that it automatically detects that it is a redirect. Also, should I always include [[Template:Talk page of redirect]] when I create a talk page for a redirect or are there instances where I should not include the template?&nbsp;[[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 01:54, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|TipsyElephant}} Why are you creating a talk page on a redirect in the first place? I don't really see any reason you would do this but I could be wrong. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 02:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Blaze The Wolf}} I added the Wikiproject banner to a redirect page so that it could be found at the WikiProject in the "Redirect" section of the "articles by quality and importance" table. I figured it would be helpful if someone was looking for potential pages that could be created or something along those lines. I didn't think it would necessarily be super helpful, but it's one of those maintenance things I can pretty easily do from my phone. [[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 16:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::For instance, there is a redirect for [[Hidden Brain]] and I'm working on a draft [[Draft:Hidden Brain]]. [[User:TipsyElephant|TipsyElephant]] ([[User talk:TipsyElephant|talk]]) 16:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Makes sense. Although others have pointed out it's not really a good use of time. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 16:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::There could be some reasons, one that comes to mind may be to hold record of an AFD which was to redirect to a certain target and allowing the history to be preserved, but generally redirects don't need to have a talk page. [[User:Mcmatter|McMatter]] <sup>([[User talk:Mcmatter|talk]])</sup>/<sub>([[Special:Contributions/Mcmatter|contrib]])</sub> 02:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|TipsyElephant}} To answer your questions: 1.) Leaving it blank is fine, if not preferred, as if it ever becomes something other than a redirect it wouldn't be classified wrong. 2.) It doesn't hurt to do it, but it's fine without it. But as others have pointed out, creating talk pages of redirects is really not a great use of your time around here. [[User:Ganbaruby|<span style="color:#960596">◢</span> <b><i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|talk]])</small> 04:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Thank you for the invite to Tea House ==

Thank you once again for the Invite, how can we make group in order to write about the bilateral coordination between the two powerful nations?
&nbsp;[[User:Indoitaly|Indoitaly]] ([[User talk:Indoitaly|talk]]) 16:50, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Indoitaly}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  The place to discuss suggestions to improve the [[India–Italy relations]] article is [[Talk:India–Italy relations]].  There are three existing WikiProject groups on the top of that talk page.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 16:55, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Two questions. ==

1. If I'm citing a newspaper/website article with a typo in the title, should I fix the typo when citing or leave it as it is?<br>
2. If I have an old picture, say, 1940s, with an unknown copyright status, am I allowed to take an image of that picture and upload it to Wikipedia?<br>Thanks.&nbsp;[[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 16:38, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{re|BeanieFan11}} Welcome to Wikipedia.  For (1) cite it as is, but you can put (sic) to indicate the typo is in the source.  For (2), ask at [[WP:MCQ]], copyright law is not simple unfortunately and the experts there can provide guidance.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 16:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== How to handle name variations ==

I am working on a [[User:SanVeneto/sandbox|draft of an athlete]] and the subject has a birthname, playing name, and now a married name. How is all that formatted correctly? Or do I use the playing name and let the rest show in an infobox? TIA&nbsp;[[User:SanVeneto|SanVeneto]] ([[User talk:SanVeneto|talk]]) 16:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
: {{re|SanVeneto}} Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for working to improve it. The article title would be the common name for the person, and the lede could say what the birth name is.  See [[Madonna]] as an example.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 16:54, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:SanVeneto|SanVeneto]] You can find more info at [[MOS:CHANGEDNAME]]. [[User:Eevee01|<b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>]]<sup>([[User talk:Eevee01|<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>]])</sup> 18:19, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== I found a minor typo ==

Where do I request edits for articles when I don't have permission to directly edit them?
I found a typo in the page [[Artificial intelligence]] under Statistical AI: "By 2000, solutions developed by Ai researchers...".
I just want to capitalize the I in AI so I created an account and have waited 4 days, but it still seems like I don't have permission yet... what do I do?&nbsp;[[User:BenjaminVincentCho|BenjaminVincentCho]] ([[User talk:BenjaminVincentCho|talk]]) 07:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|BenjaminVincentCho}}. Make an [[WP:ER|edit request]] at [[Talk: Artificial intelligence]]. You need to have four days ''and'' ten edits to edit semi-protected pages. Welcome to Wikipedia! [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 07:40, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks! I followed the link, and hopefully I did it correctly. [[User:BenjaminVincentCho|BenjaminVincentCho]] ([[User talk:BenjaminVincentCho|talk]]) 08:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::I've made the change for you, but I can't figure out how to change the answered parameter to "yes" so if anyone could help me that would be appreciated :) [[User:PrincessPersnickety|<span style="color: purple">'''Princess Persnickety'''</span>]] [[User talk:PrincessPersnickety|<span style="color: darkblue">(talk)</span>]] 08:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::{{ping|PrincessPersnickety}} You change the answered parameter to "yes" with {{diff2|1045577210|an edit like this}}, thanks to {{U|Victor Schmidt}}.  Happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 13:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::Thank you {{u|GoingBatty}}, that's very helpful. [[User:PrincessPersnickety|<span style="color: purple">'''Princess Persnickety'''</span>]] [[User talk:PrincessPersnickety|<span style="color: darkblue">(talk)</span>]] 13:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|PrincessPersnickety}} There's also a user script that allows you to do it semi-automatically. (don't remember where it's located though) ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 13:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{re|PrincessPersnickety|Blaze The Wolf}} Its this one: [[User:Jackmcbarn/editProtectedHelper.js]]. To load it, you would insert something like this into [[Special:MyPage/common.js|your common.js]]:
<syntaxhighlight lang="js">
mw.loader.load("https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jackmcbarn/editProtectedHelper.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript"); //Backlink: [[User:Jackmcbarn/editProtectedHelper.js]]
</syntaxhighlight>
:::::::See also {{tlx|load user script}}, which can be used to create the URL paths for a given JS file automatically. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 14:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::::{{ping|Victor Schmidt}} Thank you! I already have it in my common.js, I just couldn't remember where someone could find it. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 14:43, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::::::::Thank you {{u|VictorSchmidt}}, I will have a play. [[User:PrincessPersnickety|<span style="color: purple">'''Princess Persnickety'''</span>]] [[User talk:PrincessPersnickety|<span style="color: darkblue">(talk)</span>]] 18:52, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Update for the Actor Anthony J. Johnson. ==

Wikipedia is not showing him as having passed away. I included the links to the New York Times  and CNN to show the validity of his passing




https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/arts/anthony-johnson-dead.html~~

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/entertainment/anthony-johnson-died/index.html <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/206.214.50.148|206.214.50.148]] ([[User talk:206.214.50.148#top|talk]]) </small>
: [[Anthony_Johnson_(actor)]] article has been updated by another editor. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 19:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Uploading Pictures of Art ==

I am trying to upload art made by Haukur Halldórsson with his permission to his profile but I keep getting denied.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haukur_Halld%C3%B3rsson
What to do?

Best
Kristjan Mar Hauksson&nbsp;[[User:Kristjanmar|Kristjanmar]] ([[User talk:Kristjanmar|talk]]) 20:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:''You'' don't need the permission, ''Wikipedia'' does (as we're hosting the content), and we emphatically [[WP:NFCC|will not seek it]]. We also [[WP:NOT#SOCIAL|don't do profiles]], [[WP:Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia|we do encyclopaedia articles]].  —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Jéské Couriano]]</small></sup> 20:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Kristjanmar}} (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  Wikipedia has '''articles''', not "profiles".  Your account must be at least four days old before you can upload images even without the added issue of permission.  As noted, the artist will need to give the permission themselves, please see [[WP:DCP]] for more information.  He should be certain that he really wants to do that, as Wikipedia's license allows for reuse for any purpose, including commercial. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:::(ec) Hello, {{u|Kristjanmar}}. There are several issues here. First of all, your account is not [[WP:AUTOCONFIRM|autoconfirmed]] yet,  so you do not have the authority to upload. Secondly, Haukur Halldórsson is the copyright holder and his permission needs to be formal and in writing. Please see [[Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials]]. Also, the artist should fully understand the implications of free licensing. People could print posters, coffee mugs and postcards with these images without paying him or even asking for permission. They would just have to give him credit. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 20:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== i want to help?? ==

i want to help edit wikipedia but i don't know where i could help&nbsp;[[User:Sukunasleftnut|Sukunasleftnut]] ([[User talk:Sukunasleftnut|talk]]) 20:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Sukunasleftnut}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The [[WP:Task center|Task center]] has some ideas. You can see in the right column who can/could do that particular thing. You most likely want to pick something tagged as Suitable for <b><span style="color:green">all editors</span></b> [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 20:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::<small>I never knew the task center existed. I only knew that there was a list of things that can be done at the village pump. You taught me something.</small> ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 21:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::: Also the "[[Wikipedia:Community_portal#Help_out|Help Out]]" section of the community portal. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 21:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::::That was what I mean when I was saying there was a list of things that can be done at the village pump. I confused the village pump with the community portal. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 21:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Suggestbot leaving suggestions... in the archive? ==

Hello! So I recently decided to look in my talk page archive as I was going to create a section on my userpage dedicated to WikiLove when I noticed that SuggestBot was leaving the suggestions for me in my talk page archive. Anyone know why it's doing this?&nbsp;― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 19:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:There was a template there telling it to do so. Have removed it and re-added it to your talk page, which should cure the problem. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 19:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
::Ah ok thank you! I thought I had taken it out of my archive but I Guess not! ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 21:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Karan Bajaj ==

Hello, please, check the articles on the Talk page of [[Draft:Karan Bajaj]] (the last two sections) and let me know if they meet [[WP:RSP]], [[WP:SIGCOV]] and [[WP:BIO]]/[[WP:AUTHOR]]. The last reviewer [[User:Salimfadhley|Salimfadhley]] proposed to show a few articles for him and I did but he is unresponsive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Salimfadhley#Karan_Bajaj_Draft

There are also 2 last sections on the Talk page&nbsp;[[User:Habibiroyal|Habibiroyal]] ([[User talk:Habibiroyal|talk]]) 20:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:Were you going to identify some significant coverage in reliable secondary sources? --[[User:Salimfadhley|Salimfadhley]] ([[User talk:Salimfadhley|talk]]) 21:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Long history of deleting properly sourced information from BLP? ==

The page on W. Brett Wilson has an [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=W._Brett_Wilson&action=history| extensive history]] of removal of properly sourced references to controversial statements which have been widely reported in reputable news sources. In particular, I note that [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=W._Brett_Wilson&oldid=1042962737| one IP]] has a long history of deleting content about the subject's well-documented controversial statements with comments which seem inaccurate (based on the proper citation of sources and other BLP guidelines) like "Defamation" and "Biased", but most often no comment is left at all. 

The content which is removed seems to have been added by numerous editors over time, while most of the large deletions of content appears to be done by that one IP address. 

What is the best way to ensure this page maintains its integrity and avoid edit warring? I had reached out to the IP address, but subsequently noted its long history of deleting content with little or no comment.&nbsp;[[User:FActivist|FActivist]] ([[User talk:FActivist|talk]]) 21:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
: It looks like the vandalism is somewhat infrequent, at least relatively. You could try a [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection|Request for Protection]], if it continues. Others may have a different take, though. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 21:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|FActivist}}. Since one IP editor has been responsible for most of the disruption, I have blocked that person from editing the article for one year. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 23:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Thanks, [[User:Cullen328|Cullen]] - that seems like a reasonable action. Also thanks {{u|Pyrrho the Skeptic}} for your input, it is appreciated also. [[User:FActivist|FActivist]] ([[User talk:FActivist|talk]]) 21:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== how to add userboxes? ==

i cannot figure out how to add userboxes to my page&nbsp;[[User:Sukunasleftnut|Sukunasleftnut]] ([[User talk:Sukunasleftnut|talk]]) 20:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
: You still have the "noWiki" markup on your userbox, which looks like this: <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki>. Remove those and you're good to go. [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 20:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:: You'll want to put the userbox name in curly brackets like this: <nowiki>{{User wikipedia/RC Patrol}}</nowiki> [[User:Pyrrho the Skeptic|Pyrrho the Skeptic]] ([[User talk:Pyrrho the Skeptic|talk]]) 21:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:I've fixed it for you. Take a look at what I did so you can see what you have to do in the future. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 22:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

== Source for what a friend we have in Jesus ==

Hi I just wanted to add a source for my recent edit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWLJ0WCSlQU

Could anybody add it? I don’t know how.&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/107.15.214.66|107.15.214.66]] ([[User talk:107.15.214.66|talk]]) 00:07, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
: Hi there. YouTube and other video-sharing sites are generally not considered reliable sources because anyone can create or manipulate a video clip and upload without editorial oversight, just as with a self-published website. [[User:Mattplaysthedrums|Mattplaysthedrums]] ([[User talk:Mattplaysthedrums|talk]]) 02:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

== Changing article name ==

How can I change the name of an article?

This Foundation "One Asia Foundation" changed it's name after it's expansion to "Eurasia Foundation (from Asia)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Asia_Foundation

I have edited the information to suit the update as my wife is one of the managers there and asked me to do it. But I cannot change the actual name.&nbsp;[[User:GaijinDad|GaijinDad]] ([[User talk:GaijinDad|talk]]) 00:09, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:GaijinDad|GaijinDad]], I have changed the article name for you. [[User:Mattplaysthedrums|Mattplaysthedrums]] ([[User talk:Mattplaysthedrums|talk]]) 02:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|GaijinDad}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  I suggest that you and your wife please read [[Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide]] and refrain from editing the article directly.  You may [[WP:DECLARECOI|declare your conflict of interest]] on [[User:GaijinDad|your talk page]], and use the [[Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard]] when you have further suggestions on how to improve the article.  Thanks!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 04:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

==Draft:The Gaming House - Submission declined on 21 September 2021==

Hello Teahouse, my draft article for The Gaming House was declined. Please resubmit this draft. [[User:AnsrieJames9|AnsrieJames9]] ([[User talk:AnsrieJames9|talk]]) 22:39, 21 September 2021
:{{ping|AnsrieJames9}} Have you checked out the reasoning why it was declined? The declining user stated that the subject does not appear notable. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 22:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{courtesy link|Draft:The Gaming House}} [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 02:52, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|AnsrieJames9}} Welcome to the Teahouse!  It is unlikely that anyone at the Teahouse will resumbit a draft on behalf of someone else.  However, after the TV show launches, you may be able to find new [[WP:IS|independent]] [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to add to your draft.  Happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:AnsrieJames9|AnsrieJames9]]. as mentioned by the reviewer the draft fails [[WP:NTELEVISION]]. It requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Have you tried looking for more [[Wikipedia:RS|reliable sources]]? If no more sources are available then it is a case of [[WP:TOOSOON]]. You should wait until more news outlets publish articles about this show. [[User:Eevee01|<b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>]]<sup>([[User talk:Eevee01|<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>]])</sup> 04:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

== saving a draft ==

Doing my first article.  I'm in the draft wizard (I think) and I'm not ready to "publish page".  I want to save my work as a draft and add citations later.  How do I do that?&nbsp;[[User:SharedHeritage|SharedHeritage]] ([[User talk:SharedHeritage|talk]]) 00:43, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

:{{Ping|SharedHeritage}} The "Publish" button is actually your save button. I will add the appropriate template to you draft though so you can submit it for real when you're ready. ― [[User:Blaze The Wolf|<b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>]][[User talk:Blaze The Wolf|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001</sub> 01:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. {{u|SharedHeritage}}, by writing the text of your draft first, and then adding sources to support what you have written, you are making your task of creating an acceptable article much harder than it need be. The recommended method is to start with the citations, and then add text which summarises what your sources say. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 07:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)