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= July 27 =

==ban==
I heard you can get banned from editing at Wikipedia forever? Can you get banned ''from Wikipedia'' forever? '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 00:10, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:If you mean banned from reading Wikipedia, no, you can't get banned from reading Wikipedia. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 00:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::{{Thank you}} '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 00:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::So, I guess we have pretty much have to assume that ''WoW'' has visited Wikipedia and possibly sockpuppeted under numerous IP addresses. '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 19:37, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

===also===
Why is there a redirect here for [[WP:Y]]? What does that indicate or refer to? '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 00:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:You can find the answer to your first question at [[Wikipedia:Banning policy]]. I do not know the answer to your second. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em">'''Happy editing, [[User:Hajatvrc|<span style="color:purple">hajat</span>]][[User_talk:Hajatvrc|<span style="color:green">vrc</span>]] with WikiLove'''</span> @ 00:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::No, thanks, I only want the answer to this question instead of “I do not know”. Also, I don't think you really understood my first question. Thanks anyway, '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 00:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

::<del>Note: the above statement was not meant to be rude, suggestive, or offensive. Any references are unintentional and coincidential.</del>

:::I imagine it is because "Y" is a homophone of "why", which is a common question here. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 00:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

::::A method I often find useful when trying to figure out why something was done: First look at the page history [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Y&action=history] to see when it was done. If the edit summary doesn't explain it then look at the other contributions at the time for the editor who did it: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20070417&target=Simply+south]. By doing this I found [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=123358047 this] explanation. It was indeed "Y" meaning "why". ([[WP:Why]] redirects somewhere else so it's not optimal). [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 01:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::{{Thank you}} for your help. I figured that it was “why”, I just wanted to check. I never ever thought of checking the history logs for the answer in an edit summary (that's cause I'm...wait for it...stupid). Thanks again,  '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 04:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

===also, again===
How to apply for a WikiProject? '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 00:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:There is no application process for Wikiprojects. For example, if one wanted to join Wikiproject Music, one would simply sign [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Participants]] by following the directions on that page. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.3em 0.1em">'''Happy editing, [[User:Hajatvrc|<span style="color:purple">hajat</span>]][[User_talk:Hajatvrc|<span style="color:green">vrc</span>]] with WikiLove'''</span> @ 00:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry, I don't think I explained correctly: I want to join [[WP:BASEBALL]]. How? There is no “join” link anywhere. '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 00:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Participant list]]. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 00:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:::To join [[Wikipedia:Baseball]], go [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BASEBALL here]. There is a green rectangle down the left-hand side of the page entitled "Project". Go to the third paragraph, fifth line where there is a link to the list of participants. Click on the link. You will be taken to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Baseball/Participant_list this] page. Follow the instructions on the page to become a participant in the project. [[User:Bielle|Bielle]] ([[User talk:Bielle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::::{{Thank you}} very much '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 01:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Thanks again, (for your information) I just enrolled for '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject California|WikiProject: California]]''', '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject California/San Francisco Bay Area task force|WikiProject: San Francisco Bay Area]]''', and '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation|WikiProject: Disambiguation Pages]]'''. '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 00:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

== Black page indicator link font color ==

I would like {{tl|Time 100}}, {{tl|Time 100s}}, {{tl|Time 100s 2000s}} to have the black page indicator font on links when the link is to the page that the template is included in.  How do I do that?--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 00:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:It's automatic. For example, if I link to [[Wikipedia:Help desk]] (this page), the link is bold. [[User:Goodvac|Goodvac]] ([[User talk:Goodvac|talk]]) 01:05, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::See more at [[Help:Self link]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 01:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::It is not working because I have changed the color of the links (see [[2009 Time 100]]).--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 03:22, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::::It works in the "Time 100" box at [[2009 Time 100]]. It doesn't work as you want in the "Time 100 selections (2000s)" box at [[2009 Time 100]] (that box has a white "2009" on red background in the left column). As you say, this is because you have manually set the color instead of letting MediaWiki do it. Black is the default color for unlinked text so MediaWiki doesn't really "change" the color of a selflink to black. It just omits making it a link and then it defaults to black if you haven't set the color. However, selflinks are also rendered as bold text. That "works" in your box but it makes no difference because the text in those fields is already bold. White bold on red background may not look like you expect for bold but see the difference: {{fontcolor|white|red|This '''2009''' is bold. This 2009 is not bold.}} I suggest you ignore that the special selflink formatting makes no difference in those fields. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 04:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::So there is no style command for selflinks?--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 05:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::There is a "selflink" [[WP:CLASS|CSS class]] which you could probably customize to control how your account views selflinks, but I don't think you can control how others will view them. You could bypass the whole selflink feature by testing <code><nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki></code> in the template and display alternative code if the template is transcluded on that page, but I recommend against this for a navigation template. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:09, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Font size ==

Suddenly Wikipedia is appearing in font so small I can't begin to read it.  In fact, I can't really read what I am typing here.  How can I enlarge the font so that I can read it?  It's got to be about font size 2.  Please respond to me at [email redacted] 

Thanks.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.176.144.210|67.176.144.210]] ([[User talk:67.176.144.210|talk]]) 01:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Check the zoom level of your browser.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 01:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:We don't reply by email. In many browsers you can zoom with 'Ctrl' and '+'/'-', or with Ctrl and the mouse wheel. If this doesn't solve the problem then try to [[WP:BYPASS|clear your entire cache]]. If there are still problems then what is your browser and does http://meta.wikimedia.org have the same problem? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 01:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:Yes, as Jayron32 and PrimeHunter said above, you should check the zoom level, in the bottom right corner for Windows. You can also adjust by using {{key press|Ctrl|(equals sign)}} and {{key press|Ctrl|-}} ({{key press|Cmd|(equals sign)}} and {{key press|Cmd|-}} for Mac). Also, is it tiny on other pages? If so, you should adjust you zoom. If not, clear your browser and cache. (As Jayron32 and PrimeHunter said) '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 03:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

==Problems using <nowiki><math></nowiki>==
{{resolved}}
Problems with OSX Lion and the math processor in Safari.  I can no longer use the <nowiki><math> </math></nowiki> environments in Safari.  The only change is that I just loaded OSX Lion. [[User:Prof McCarthy|Prof McCarthy]] ([[User talk:Prof McCarthy|talk]]) 02:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:Have you tried using {{t|math}}? [[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']] [[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 03:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for getting back to me.  I contacted both Apple and the Wikipedia chat line.  While the Wikipedia chat team and their helpmebot did everything they could to send me elsewhere, I think someone finally understood what I was saying, because within five minutes the math environment processor began working again, after being out for about an hour. [[User:Prof McCarthy|Prof McCarthy]] ([[User talk:Prof McCarthy|talk]]) 03:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry we didn't manage to help much here, but if it's fixed, it's fixed. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

==[[Valasca]]==
Hi! I created an article about a historical person named [[Valasca]]. Can someone please clean up the article? Thanks! [[User:Neptunekh2|Neptunekh2]] ([[User talk:Neptunekh2|talk]]) 03:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:I see the article is tagged for speedy deletion, “as a blatant and obvious hoax”. That is because there is no key information at all, and it is not written in [[Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Information style and tone|encyclopedic style]]. And, rather than asking someone else to fix the article, it would be better for you to fix it yourself, being the creator of the article (remember, anyone can edit Wikipedia). If you feel that you must request someone else to do so, it should be placed on the [[Talk:Valasca|talk page]] of the article. <del>Also, this would be more appropriately placed on the article's [[Talk:Valasca|talk page]].</del> '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 03:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:{{Not done|Yeah, your article was deleted a few minutes ago.}} Thanks anyway! regard '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 03:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::I can't remember the content of the article completely, but I am not sure it was a hoax.  I brought the issue up on the deleting admins talk page. [[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']] [[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 03:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::It was quite un-en-cyc-lo-pe-d-ic (Yes, seven! First seven syllable word typed by me ever!). It was about three to four lines on my browser window, and had a single “source” (not reference) A single internal link, and a couple of [[Run-on sentence|run-on sentences]]. '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 04:02, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:Wow, that was a bad speedy. A tiny bit of searching by the tagger or the admin (e.g. [http://www.google.com/search?q=Valasca+amazon&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=mTb&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=Valasca+amazon&nfpr=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=bks&source=og&sa=N&tab=wp&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=1990406fe56bc2c2&biw=1613&bih=1199)] would have found that though the article was lacking a bit of context, this was not a hoax at all but an article about a figure of legend. When deleting as a "blatant hoax" one is by implication accusing the creator of bad faith and so care should be taken.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 04:02, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::[[User:Fastily|Fastily]] has given me the deleted content and I will be creating it at [[User:Ryan Vesey/Valasca]] if nobody objects.  Anyone is free to help work on the article. [[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']] [[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 04:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, Fughettaboutit. It was not a “blatant ... hoax”, it just lacks detail. RyanVesey I am going to try to help the article, if you don't mind. Thanks again, '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 04:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Neptune doesn't create hoaxes, but she does create shocking bad stubs about interesting but obscure topics, and then ask total strangers to clean 'em up.  See [[User:Neptunekh2|her userpage]] for reason. I hope she hasn't caused too much trouble. [[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 11:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::::<small>Elen of the Roads, I see what you mean ([[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive701#User:Neptunekh2_-_long_term_competence_issues|ANI]]), and pretty much agree. But if it's a [[WP:CIR|CIR]] thing, that'll belong back on ANI, at some stage, so for helpdesk / closing ''this'' q, I'll try to AGF and answer below... <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</small>
::::Yes, agreed. “[He/s]he does create shocking bad stubs about interesting but obscure topics, and then ask[s] total strangers to clean [th]em up.” '''''[[User:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">An</span>]] [[User talk:Since 10.28.2010|<span style="color:#DAA520;">editor since 10.28.2010.</span>]]''''' 23:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Neptunekh2, the article shouldn't have been speedy-deleted, ''but'' you will inevitably run into these problems if you create live articles that do not meet basic requirements. Instead, it would be best to use [[WP:WIZARD]] and make a draft - and, to read [[WP:FIRST]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Fatal Wikimedia bug has returned, crashing older browsers (Netscape 7-9, etc.) in new skin ==

References: [[bugzilla:23926]] report (FIXED June 2010), [[Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2010_June_12#Some_recent_Site_change_Instantly_crashes_my_browser_on_every_Wikipedia_page.21|previous report (fixed)]], [[Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2010_January_8#Netscape_7.2_crashes_immediately_when_I_access_Wiki|original report]]

2011 update: This fatal bug was quickly FIXED (and there's an even easier fix, below) but has recently since ''returned'', so I'm posting a note about it.  Some older machines can't use Firefox;  Regardless of browser being out of date, Wikipedia is a major international (and primarily text-based) educational tool and should not crash a browser in this particular manner. This bug was confirmed [[Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2010_June_12#Some_recent_Site_change_Instantly_crashes_my_browser_on_every_Wikipedia_page.21|here]] on June 21 of 2010 as occurring on several versions of older Mozilla browsers and was quickly FIXED at [[bugzilla:23926]].  

However, it has recently since ''reappeared''.  Note that this is ''not'' a style or appearance glitch which is to be expected on an older browser.  The page loads fine, just as in Firefox, THEN crashes when it attemts to access additional data from bits. (somethingsomething) .org.  Previously it was wikimedia but someone was able to fix the problem relatively easily.  It may be a related file, as the person who fixed it indicated that the problem might reoccur for additional wikimedia modules.

Note that the page loads just fine in Netscape 7 (and presumably 9, the last version, according to reports), as it appears in Firefox, then crashes when it attempts to load something from wikimedia after the entire page is up.  That is the same problem that occurred before. I have just noticed this and will post a new topic. 

Also note that this is only in the new Vector skin (or whatever it's called), not the classic (pre-2009) skin. The classic skin is compatible with older browsers.  So the problem can be fixed by restoring the fix that was used for [[bugzilla:23926]] and extending it to other recent Wikimedia-bits, restoring the bugzilla fix if it was deleted from the script, or else default to old skin for older browsers.  (So as to avoid unnecessarily crashing the user's browser.)

Options for Resolution: (in order of immediacy / permanence)

1. Extend the [[bugzilla:23926]] fix to recent bits from wikimedia that are causing the same problem.
<br>The glitch appears to result from an error in how older Mozilla browsers read a certain specific command.

2. Block additional widgets from wikimedia (i.e. future add-ons and scripts beyond the basic engine) on unsupported browsers, or tell the browser
<br>to ignore script calls containing the command that does not work.  Worth considering as the current skin does appear fine -- until this glitch causes it to crash.

3. Revert to the "classic" (2007-2009) skin which works fine on older browsers, by DEFAULT for unsupported browsers.  <br>If the above options will not work, this would be simple, global and effective.

Note that I don't have a bugzilla account and I'm stymied to create one, since I'd have to create a separate spamproof e-mail address for that sole purpose. But I can message you with a sample error report, if you wish. Note that this problem was already confirmed and fixed once; the error appears in the same fashion as before, but probably stems from recent updates to which the previous bugzilla fix was not applied. [[User:Yclept:Berr|Yclept:Berr]] ([[User talk:Yclept:Berr|talk]]) 03:22, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:: '''Additional piece of data:''' Just noticed, the problem does not occur on [meta.wikimedia.org] or [wiktionary.org] 
(tested using same browser). [[User:Yclept:Berr|Yclept:Berr]] ([[User talk:Yclept:Berr|talk]]) 04:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Appearance Settings - Darker Theme? ==

Hello.  My apologies if this has been asked before - I have searched but can't find any specific references to this question.  Also sorry if this isn't the right place to be asking.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it tiring and uncomfortable to sit gazing into light bulbs for hours at a time.  I find black text on white pages has much the same effect on me.  My eyes aren't great anyway - they tend to strain very easily.  At the risk of rambling, I've never really understood why so many major websites default to black on white, which is fine for reading things on paper, but not so good when what you're reading is glowing at you (and yes, I've turned my monitor brightness down but it doesn't really do much except make images too dark to see).

So my question is, are there any appearance options that would let me read Wikipedia in white text (or better still, grey) on a black background?  I've tried all the themes included in Preferences/Appearance and they're all variations on a black-on-white theme.

I'd even be happy to have a stab at creating my own inverted theme - if that would be possible and permissible - if there's nothing in place already.  But I'd need some advice on how to go about it..  Can anyone offer any suggestions please?  Thanks - [[User:Silvensis|Silvensis]] ([[User talk:Silvensis|talk]]) 07:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:In the preferences screen there should be a "gadgets" tab. Under the "appearance" heading there should be a check box labeled "Use a black background with green text on the Monobook skin". As the text says, it only works with the "Monobook" skin. It may also be possible to write CSS style sheets that would have the same effect, but I don't know all of the codes for that. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<span style="color:#595454;">Will Beback</span>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<span style="color:#C0C0C0;">talk</span>]]&nbsp; </b> 07:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::The gadget may work with the default "Vector" skin as well - give it a try. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<span style="color:#595454;">Will Beback</span>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<span style="color:#C0C0C0;">talk</span>]]&nbsp; </b> 07:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::It does although not very well.  There's a band of white at the top of every page that stops about half way down (cutting through) the WP logo.  And the editing toolbar above this text entry window is still white.  Oh yes, and there's also a jarring change where the page first appears white for a split second and then turns black with the green.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:47, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::::[[Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2009_April_12#CHANGING_THE_COLOR_OF_MY_WIKI_SKIN_FROM_WHITE_TO_BLUE_OR_GREY|This old thread]] explains how to set the text and background colours using Firefox preferences - any use? -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 08:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::Excellent.  Thanks for that - I honestly hadn't noticed that gadget. Much appreciated. - [[User:Silvensis|Silvensis]] ([[User talk:Silvensis|talk]]) 06:33, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
;A further option to change colours, for users of firefox;
{{multiple image
| footer    = Wikipedia with a grey background, and the settings to create it
| width     = 200
| image1    = Wikipedia in grey.png
| image2    = Firefox browser showing about config display settings.png
}}
In firefox, if you put {{xt|about:config}} into the URL, you can change specific settings; take note of the dire warning, because it is possible to mess things up here (e.g. setting colours to black-on-black). So, on your own head be it. That said, if you accept the warning,

If you put {{xt|browser.display}} into the filter, you'll see a list of settings affecting colour. For example, I just changed the "browser.display.background_color" to 555555, which is a grey colour, and also changed "browser.display.use_document_colors" to false. Instantly, the Wikipedia background changed.

I mention this to Silvensis because, these settings affect ''all'' websites. Obviously, some fiddling around is required. HTH, <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:That's great, thank you very much.  I can see it might be possible to cause some problems with this but, given that a glaring white background seems to be the unquestioned standard for most 'professional' sites, having some control to make the sites a little less harsh on my eyes would be invaluable. Thanks again. - [[User:Silvensis|Silvensis]] ([[User talk:Silvensis|talk]]) 06:33, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

== Going live ==

I created an article on my User Page under my user name.  I then deleted my user name and moved the article to a page titled with the name of the person it is about - and saved it. This has not appeared on Wikipedia yet. I did it about 12 hours ago. Have I done something wrong or is it simply that there is a waiting time while it is checked. If so any idea what the average waiting time is?

Thank you.....     [[User:Eva Meade|Eva Meade]] ([[User talk:Eva Meade|talk]]) 09:02, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:The page you created is at [[Christopher Bollas (Psychoanalyst and Writer)]].  It needs a significant amount of work though.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, it's been moved to [[Christopher Bollas]] in accordance with our conventions for article naming. (And yes, it needs a great deal of work.) --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:darkorange;">Orange Mike</span>]]  &#x007C;  [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:orange;">Talk</span>]] 12:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::<small>Thank you.  I was at work and got a call just as I was finishing the word "though".  I didn't have time to fix anything with it.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</small>
::<small>I added a bit more help about drafts on the user's talk page, and edited the double-redir user page. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:10, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</small>

== symptoms of amoeboisis ==

<span class="rd-deleted">{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Wikipedia|{{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}|= |<div style="display:none;">}}|<div style="">This question has been removed.  Per the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/guidelines#nodiagnosis|reference desk guidelines]], the reference desk is not an appropriate place to request medical, legal or other professional advice, including any kind of medical [[diagnosis]], [[prognosis]], or treatment recommendations.  For such advice, please see a qualified professional.  If you don't believe this is such a request, please explain what you meant to ask, either here or on the talk page discussion (if a link has been provided). <div style="display:none;">}} {{#if:|}}
This question has been removed.  Per the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/guidelines#nodiagnosis|reference desk guidelines]], the reference desk is not an appropriate place to request medical, legal or other professional advice, including any kind of medical [[diagnosis]] or [[prognosis]], or treatment recommendations.  For such advice, please see a qualified professional. If you don't believe this is such a request, please explain what you meant to ask, either here or on the talk page discussion (if a link has been provided). --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 12:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</div></div>
</span>

:The question "Is loss of appetite a symptom of amoebiasis?" was not a request for medical advice or a diagnosis, but a request for information. Our article [[Amoebiasis]] should help answer that question. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 12:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== [[Thomas Quick]]: What has happened to the interwiki links? ==
{{resolved}}
There are five interwiki links in the text, but the links are not visible.

[[User:Accusativen hos Olsson|Accusativen hos Olsson]] ([[User talk:Accusativen hos Olsson|talk]]) 12:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:I see them displayed as normal, at the bottom of the left sidebar. You may have to click a "Languages" link. See [[Help:Interlanguage links]]. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 12:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:(edit conflict) [[Help:Interlanguage links|Interlanguage links]] are always positioned in the "Languages" section, positioned in the left sidebar in the default skin, at the top or bottom in some other skins. You may have to click a small triangle at the "Languages" heading to toggle whether they are displayed. I see them fine. If the problem is specific to that page then reload it. If it's on all Wikipedia pages then [[WP:BYPASS|clear your entire cache]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

::Thank you. I see them also now, after having clicked the small triangle. (The problem was specific to this page.)
::[[User:Accusativen hos Olsson|Accusativen hos Olsson]] ([[User talk:Accusativen hos Olsson|talk]]) 13:05, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Error in URL and title ==
{{resolved}}
I work for Open-E Inc. I've found an error in URL and title of article about one of our product. Here is the URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_Storage_Server_V6

The proper name of the product is: Open-E Data Storage Server V6. There are also mistakes in a body of the article but I'll fix them on my own.

Thank you for your help,
Patryk Kosiń
<blanked>  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Open-e|Open-e]] ([[User talk:Open-e|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Open-e|contribs]]) 13:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:You have a [[WP:COI|COI]] so please use the article's talk page to suggest changes to the article rather than edit yourself. Your user name is also in breach of [[WP:UN|the user name policy]].&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 13:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

::I have tagged [[Open-E]] and [[Date Storage Server V6]] for speedy deletion as [[WP:SPAM|spam]] masquerading as articles.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 13:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Articles have been deleted; user has been {{tn|Softerblock}}'ed, so marking this 'resolved' as there's nothing else we can do right now. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Formatting wiping out categories and navboxes at Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw ==

Please see the bottom of [[Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw]]. There are some formatting oddities that are wiping out the navboxes and categories.  E.g., I have just added {{tl|Time 100s 2010s}} in the right place, but it does not appear.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 13:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:Done partially. Wait, will do the rest. Regards.--[[User:GreatOrangePumpkin|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:orange;">♫Greatorangepumpkin♫</span>]][[User talk:GreatOrangePumpkin|<sub style="color:#DCDCDC;">Hey</sub>]][[Special:Contributions/GreatOrangePumpkin|<sup style="color:#DCDCDC;">it's me</sup>]][[Special:NewPages|<sub style="color:#DCDCDC;">I am dynamite</sub>]] 14:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::Done. Although the last ref is ref number 1 together with ref 1, but I can not do anything. Would be best to remove this ref grouping, as it's problematic sometimes and really unnecessary. Regards.--[[User:GreatOrangePumpkin|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:orange;">♫Greatorangepumpkin♫</span>]][[User talk:GreatOrangePumpkin|<sub style="color:#DCDCDC;">Hey</sub>]][[Special:Contributions/GreatOrangePumpkin|<sup style="color:#DCDCDC;">it's me</sup>]][[Special:NewPages|<sub style="color:#DCDCDC;">I am dynamite</sub>]] 14:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I removed the grouped referencing; it didn't seem to serve any purpose and, as you say, messed up the ref numbering. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Controversy ==

Could someone please enlighten me on the current consensus as to "controversy" section titles?

The reason I'm asking here rather than e.g. at [[WT:NPOV]] or [[WT:MOS]] is that it is as much a matter of encyclopedic style and accuracy as of neutrality.

I believe that an ''unnecessarily'' generic section title like "Controversy" is unhelpful to the reader and may even violate NPOV and BLP.

Granted, if there are multiple controversies in which a living person is involved, then a section title "Controversies" may most faithfully and simply reflect the overall content of its subsections. But if there is a single controversy regarding e.g. a specific issue or dispute, shouldn't we try to find a section title that more truthfully describes the specifics of the situation in question?

I'm quite sure that this issue keeps flaring up in many different articles, but I couldn't find any discussion about it. --[[Special:Contributions/213.196.211.14|213.196.211.14]] ([[User talk:213.196.211.14|talk]]) 18:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:How about in page titles? One worth considering would be [[Essjay controversy]]. There's currently about 1500 articles with 'controversy' in the page title.
:I think, really, it'd be very hard to come up with a blanket guideline (and it might get rather [[WP:CREEP|creepy]]). I think it'd need consideration on a case-by-case basis - to determine if a better name does, or does not fit, a specific instance. I can imagine occasions where it could be unhelpful or violate NPOV/BLP, but I can think of others where it's probably the best name we can come up with (through consensus). <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, I should have been more precise. I specifically meant "controversy" as the ''single'' word in a section title. Suppose a section that deals with a single, specific controversy, let's say it's about the naming of a person or entity. What I meant is that that section should probably be titled along the lines of "Naming controversy" rather than just "Controversy", right? --[[Special:Contributions/213.196.211.14|213.196.211.14]] ([[User talk:213.196.211.14|talk]]) 19:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I can't think of a case for a section called ==Controversy== on a BLP, no; because, presumably, whatever-the-controversy-is-about wouldn't be the ''person'', as such; thus, there could be a more meaningful heading. ==Sausage controversy== or whatever. Or something more specific to whatever-it-is.
:::But again, I do think this is very hard to discuss in general terms, without specific examples, and would likely be a 'discuss on talk page' thing for any specific article. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I agree. Thanks for the advice. --[[Special:Contributions/213.196.211.14|213.196.211.14]] ([[User talk:213.196.211.14|talk]]) 20:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::See also [[Wikipedia:Controversy_sections]] and its associated talk page. [[User:Adrian J. Hunter|Adrian&nbsp;'''J.'''&nbsp;Hunter]]<sup>([[User talk:Adrian J. Hunter|talk]]•[[Special:contributions/Adrian J. Hunter|contribs]])</sup> 08:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

== Unwieldy template ==

Hi, I came across this template, [[Template:Public spaces]], and it seemed to be something that wouldn't really work well. A comment on the talk page from 2010 also says the same point, that the template would be unwieldy if it really included all [[public space]]s. How can I try to redesign or delete it to address the problem? [[User:Aslbsl|Aslbsl]] ([[User talk:Aslbsl|talk]]) 18:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:It is a pretty pointless template as it stands. If the intention was to cover all public spaces worldwide, it would be huge. It is only used on a few articles so my view is to send it to [[WP:TFD]] for discussion.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 18:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. [[User:Aslbsl|Aslbsl]] ([[User talk:Aslbsl|talk]]) 18:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== oldest unsourced articles? ==

I've tried sorting articles that have been tagged as unsourced, but since there are well over 25,000, AWB can't access them all. Is there a list of such articles by tag date, as there is for orphans? — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 20:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:Yes; if you go to [[:Category:Articles lacking sources]] or [[:Category:Articles with unsourced statements]] you will find the month-by-month subcategories. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 20:22, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks! — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 21:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Steve Lieberman ==
:[[Steve Lieberman the Gangsta Rabbi]]
i submitted an article on Steve Lieberman the Gangsta Rabbi. you nominated it for speedy deletion by reason a7. as i was contesting this, telling why the artist validly met notability guidelines--you deleted the article before i even stated my case. having multiple features in the 11th largest newspaper and being signed to an indie label around for 9 years and having 7 notable artists on their roster qualifies by your own standards as 'notable' you didn't even let me plead my proper case. please help

[[User:613codify|613codify]] ([[User talk:613codify|talk]]) 20:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:Encyclopedia articles do not start by describing their subject as "a tough, fearless punk rocker". That kind of phrasing indicated a press kit or other form of advertisement. Create a new, clean, nonsense-free version of the article in a userspace such as [[User:613codify/Steve Lieberman (rapper)]], then move it into articlespace when it is ready for publication. --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:darkorange;">Orange Mike</span>]]  &#x007C;  [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:orange;">Talk</span>]] 20:42, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== replacing picture on my page ==
[[File:Bob at Amphitrite Point copy.jpg|thumb|This is Bob, at Amphitrite Point]]
I have two pictures on my page one old and a new one just uploaded to commons, I am unable to remove the old one and replace it with the one on the right side of the page, any help ? [[User:Leicapic|Leicapic]] ([[User talk:Leicapic|talk]]) 22:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:Which page is this for? [[User:Monchoman45|Monchoman45]] 22:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

::They seem to be referring to either [[Aaron Elkins]] or [[Bob Lampert]].  Though I don't see any recent edits to either by this user.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:22, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Must be the Lampert article since the user's only upload at Commons is [[:File:Bob copy.jpg|this one]].  And I've added the image to the page in question.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:@Leicapic, to change a picture you change the article where it is used (as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Lampert&diff=441779183&oldid=403405916 Dismas did for you]). Showing the new picture on the file description page of the old picture, [[:File:Bob at Amphitrite Point copy.jpg]], does nothing. I reverted your edits there. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 23:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

You probably wanted to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Bob_at_Amphitrite_Point_copy.jpg&wpForReUpload=1 upload a new file] - that link is on the [[:File:Bob at Amphitrite Point copy.jpg|file page]], at the end of "File history". But, unless there is a compelling reason to replace it (such as, a better version) it's probably better to just [[Commons:commons:upload|upload the new file]], and then - on whichever page you want to use it - put something like <nowiki>[[File:flower.jpg|thumb|this is a flower]]</nowiki> - see [[Wikipedia:Picture tutorial]].

So, in this specific case, you could put e.g. <nowiki>[[:File:Bob at Amphitrite Point copy.jpg|thumb|This is Bob, at Amphitrite Point]]</nowiki> on whatever page - as I have, here, on the right. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

:Apparently he ''did'' upload [[:File:Bob copy.jpg]]. ([[:File:Bob at Amphitrite Point copy.jpg]] was the old pic.) But he didn’t know how to replace the file; he tried showing the new file on the file description page of old (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Bob_at_Amphitrite_Point_copy.jpg&oldid=441622029 here], which of course didn’t work. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 00:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::<small>I realise that; but, thanks <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 09:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)</small>
{{clear}}

== Watching all the subpages of a topic ==

Is it possible to (automatically) watch all of the subpages of a topic?  For example, I would like to watch all of the subpages with the prefix "Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/"  [[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']] [[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] [[Wikipedia:Editor review/Ryan Vesey|<small>Review me!</small>]] 22:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:No, I am pretty sure the only option is to manually go to each page and color in the little star.  An alternate method would be to use the "edit raw watchlist" option and copy-paste all the names of all the pages you want to add.  That may require a little less labor; but either way you have to do it "manually".  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 23:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::Alternatively, you might find it useful to go to e.g. [[:Category:All articles that need to be wikified]] and click on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:All_articles_that_need_to_be_wikified related changes] in the toolbox. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
:This is a relativelly popular request:
:* [[bugzilla:2308|Bug 2308]] - ability to watch "bundles" of sub-pages
:* [[bugzilla:1710|Bug 1710]] - Ability to watch all articles in a category
:* [[bugzilla:15072|Bug 15072]] - Protect, watchlist or delete a whole book at once
:[[User talk:Helder.wiki|Helder]] 20:31, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== Need help with the article ==

I have recently created an article on the name of Syed Zakir Hussain shah and after little i am receiving messages from Wikipedia asking me to make certain changes in order to keep this in Wikipedia website. Although I have added references it doen't show any sign of that they consider those reference to right because they are still asking the same question.

Here are the things they have asked me to add :

This biography of a living person does not include any references or sources. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living people that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately.

This article may need to be wikified to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Please help by adding relevant internal links, or by improving the article's layout. (June 2011)
Click [show] on right for more details.

This article is an orphan, as few or no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles; suggestions may be available.

But I don't know how solve this therefore I would need your help with this so can you please answer this as soon as possible.

Thank you.  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ali786151214|Ali786151214]] ([[User talk:Ali786151214|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ali786151214|contribs]]) 23:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I suggest you read [[WP:FIRST]].

:It needs ''inline'' references - the little <sup>{{colour|blue|[1]}}</sup> things that you see on articles; and, the references need to be "reliable sources" - for example, "geocities" is not a reliable source. See [[WP:REFB]], and, I'll add more help on referencing to your user talk page. <small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#00008B">[[User:Chzz|'''<span style="background:#00008B;color:white">&nbsp;Chzz&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:Chzz|<span style="color:#00008B;background-color:yellow;">&nbsp;►&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)