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= September 29 =

== constitution petition No 21 of 2007 ==

can I read the order passed by apex court in above subject petition on dated 7th May 2007

* I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at [[Wikipedia:About|Wikipedia]], the free online encyclopedia that [[Wikipedia:Introduction|anyone can edit]], and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|reference desk]], divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.<!-- Template:Astray --> -- '''[[User:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Phantom</span><span style="color:#55CAFA;">Steve</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Contact Me</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#5599FA;">My Contribs</span>]]) 08:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Someone else started my page and I corrected it.... ==

For adding correct information about myself, there is now a warning label on my page. How do I get that label off. Thanks, Greg Hahn.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gregcomedy|Gregcomedy]] ([[User talk:Gregcomedy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gregcomedy|contribs]]) 06:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*It's generally a not-so-good idea to edit an article about yourself. See [[WP:COI]] and [[WP:AUTOBIO]]. As to your specific question, you can remove the warning simply by editing your talk page, but do keep in mind that they still remain in your page history and removing the warning means that you have read it. [[User:Tim Song|Tim Song]] ([[User talk:Tim Song|talk]]) 06:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:<small> So SineBot is finally working again? [[User:Tim Song|Tim Song]] ([[User talk:Tim Song|talk]]) 06:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC) </small>
:* As Tim Song says, it's generally not a good idea to edit your own article. However, a quick look shows that your edits added good content - and I found some sources of information to cite. I have also done some more wiki-linking. I have removed the COI tag, as I do not feel that your contributions were such that they showed COI-issues. -- '''[[User:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Phantom</span><span style="color:#55CAFA;">Steve</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Contact Me</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#5599FA;">My Contribs</span>]]) 09:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Need help to move [[Aeroflot-Don]] to [[Donavia]] ==
{{resolved}}
Hi guys, the airline [[Aeroflot-Don]] was renamed [[Donavia]]. The latter article already exists, as a redirect to Aeroflot-Don, so I can't move it. From the instructions given, I sadly don't understand how to cope with requested moves. Thanks for your help. [[User:Per aspera ad Astra|Per aspera ad Astra]] ([[User talk:Per aspera ad Astra|talk]]) 07:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:I will be glad to take care of this.  However, a history merge is needed, as well, so it may take me a couple of minutes to get my head around it, ;-)  [[User:Maedin|<b><span style="color:#4B0082;">Mae</span><span style="color:#008080;">din</span></b>]]\<sup>[[User_talk:Maedin|<span style="color:#4B0082">talk</span>]]</sup> 07:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::Ignore me, it didn't need a history merge, they turned out to be parallel versions.  I've moved the article for you.  [[User:Maedin|<b><span style="color:#4B0082;">Mae</span><span style="color:#008080;">din</span></b>]]\<sup>[[User_talk:Maedin|<span style="color:#4B0082">talk</span>]]</sup> 07:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== What happens when I tag for expert? ==

I just tagged [[double haploid]] for an expert in biology. What will happen next? Will a message automatically go to the Biology wikiproject page? Does it depend on how the project has set up its page? Or will nothing happen unless an expert happens to visit the page? [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] ([[User talk:Itsmejudith|talk]]) 11:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:Ideally the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biology]] should have a link on its main page to [[:Category:Biology articles needing expert attention]], as that's the main route to this type of request. However, I see that it doesn't. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 11:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
{{resolved}}

== Similar vandalism from IP and registered user ==

A page has had similar vandalisim recently both from an IP and from a registered user. What is the procedure to follow this up, to see if they are the same address, take any action, etc? [[User:Jan1nad|Jan1nad]] ([[User talk:Jan1nad|talk]]) 13:27, 29September 2009(UTC)

: I would compare IP'S. If it is the same I would put a warning, or get someone to block him or her.[[User:Accdude<sub>92</sub>|Accdude<sub>92</sub>]] ([[User talk:Accdude<sub>92</sub>|talk]]) ([[User:Accdude<sub>92</sub>/guestbook|sign]]) 13:30, 29September 2009(UTC)

:: But I'm not an admin (nor do I want to Be) − how do I compare IPs? [[User:Jan1nad|Jan1nad]] ([[User talk:Jan1nad|talk]]) 13:38, 29September 2009(UTC)

::: Can I see the user/page you are talking about?[[User:Accdude<sub>92</sub>|Accdude<sub>92</sub>]] ([[User talk:Accdude<sub>92</sub>|talk]]) ([[User:Accdude<sub>92</sub>/guestbook|sign]]) 13:40, 29September 2009(UTC)
:::: You read both the Ip'S try finding some thing similar and geo locate it.Notify a check user—[[User:Shivlingam|owner wikipedia]] ([[User talk:Shivlingam|talk]]) 13:43, 29September 2009(UTC)

:::: Sure, it'S [[Cannock Chase]]. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/W/index.php?title=Cannock_Chase&diff=316650527&oldid=315721218] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/W/index.php?title=Cannock_Chase&diff=316869636&oldid=316705998]. [[User:Jan1nad|Jan1nad]] ([[User talk:Jan1nad|talk]]) 13:43, 29September 2009(UTC)

:::::I wouldn't worry to much, if it is a problem  an admin will block him or her.[[User:Accdude92|Accdude92]] ([[User talk:Accdude92|talk]]) ([[User:Accdude92/guestbook|sign]]) 13:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for taking an interest, and I will forget about this case (unless it recurs). However, I'm not convinced that this here page is the best forum for such matters. Is there an alternative, better, (normal?) route that people can recommend? [[User:Jan1nad|Jan1nad]] ([[User talk:Jan1nad|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::[[WP:SPI|Sock Puppet Investigations]] is the formal forum if you suspect a user is abusing multiple accounts. [[User:Gonzonoir|Gonzonoir]] ([[User talk:Gonzonoir|talk]]) 14:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You can also report the vandalism to [[WP:AIV]] <B><span style="color:green;">SparksBoy </span></B>([[User talk:SparksBoy#top|talk]]) 19:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== WP:SELFPUB QUESTION ==

{{Resolved}}

I hope this is an acceptable place to ask this, but I'd greatly appreciate it if an experienced editor or two might be willing to take a look at the last three brief paragraphs at the end of [[Talk:Nina_Assimakopoulos#Can_Carnegie_Hall_Performance_Be_Admitted.3F | this page]] and offer an opinon as to whether a claim made on a University's faculty web page for a professor's debut at Carnegie Hall can fairly be admitted under WP:SELFPUB? Many thanks, [[User:Ohiostandard|Ohiostandard]] ([[User talk:Ohiostandard|talk]]) 13:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

::It looks to me like the article has several major problems and your concern just one of them. In general though, my understanding is that the self published sources are ok for factual details such as date of birth, current residence etc. They can't be used to establish notability however. In this particular case, if the concert was notable then you should be able to find a review of if somewhere.--[[User:RDBury|RDBury]] ([[User talk:RDBury|talk]]) 13:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::The problem is that independent sources for classical performers have become so scarce in recent years, even for extraordinarily honored performers on a given orchestral instrument. It seems a shame if the cutbacks in coverage of classical music by the mainstream press will result in far fewer classical performers making it into Wikipedia, but perhaps that's inevitable... Maybe the article is a lost cause, given its recent (effective) blanking due to copyvio problems, and given the problem finding sources for what is, nevertheless, an unusually distinguished career for a classical musician. Cordial thanks, RD, for your information, neverthelesss. [[User:Ohiostandard|Ohiostandard]] ([[User talk:Ohiostandard|talk]]) 14:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I concur. Self-published sources are OK, but should be avoided when possible. As long as the source is like, an announcement from the subject or something that isn't self-promoting, it's fine. Secondary sources should be used when possible.--[[User:Unionhawk|Unionhawk]] <sup>[[User talk:Unionhawk|Talk]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:EmailUser/Unionhawk|E-mail]]</sup> <sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Unionhawk (2)|Review]]</sup> 14:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, Unionhawk; I appreciate your comment, as well. [[User:Ohiostandard|Ohiostandard]] ([[User talk:Ohiostandard|talk]]) 14:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::See [[Wikiindex:Category:Music]] for other wikis. If Wikipedia does not want some particular content, someone else probably will. There are many communities with various interests that go beyond what the traditional publishing industry will cover, so they start their own wikis. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] ([[User talk:Teratornis|talk]]) 20:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Main article is a section ==

There are nine articles about the species of the [[Datura]] plant. The main [[Datura]] article contains a section about toxicity that applies to all the nine species, but Datura toxicity has no article of its own, and shouldn't. I want to put "main article" references in each of the nine species articles, but I don't know how to do it so it looks good. The best I can do is under Toxicity in the [[Datura ceratocaula]] article. Is there a way to do it without the "#" appearing in the link? [[User:Lou Sander|Lou Sander]] ([[User talk:Lou Sander|talk]]) 13:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think what you've got on [[Datura ceratocaula]] looks fine - the hash "#" is showing up there just because you're linking to a section, which seems like the right thing to do. Is there a particular reason you want the hash not to appear - is it an aesthetic consideration? [[User:Gonzonoir|Gonzonoir]] ([[User talk:Gonzonoir|talk]]) 13:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::If you really can't stand it, try using the template <nowiki>{{Main|Article|l1=Alternate title}}</nowiki>. --[[User:RDBury|RDBury]] ([[User talk:RDBury|talk]]) 14:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I'd be tempted to argue for leaving it as is, though; as a reader familiar with the hashed section link convention, I'd be likelier to see the relevance of (and therefore click on) a link to a section called "toxicity" than of one to the more generic title. [[User:Gonzonoir|Gonzonoir]] ([[User talk:Gonzonoir|talk]]) 14:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I just don't like the hash aesthetically. This talk has made me like it better, though. ;-) [[User:Lou Sander|Lou Sander]] ([[User talk:Lou Sander|talk]]) 16:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I've just used one of the above suggestions to make it as I want it. Thanks for the help, fellows! [[User:Lou Sander|Lou Sander]] ([[User talk:Lou Sander|talk]]) 16:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Adding New Information ==

I am a casual Wikipedia visitor and do not want to start an account -- I am just trying to try to find someone who could enter information about the new Prime Minister of Aruba (he was formally announced at 1:00 am on Saturday, September 26th, while we were on vacation there) -- and his name is Mike Eman. 

He is from the Christian Democrat AVP (Arubaanse Volkspartij) party, and the AVP party won 12 out of 21 parliament seats in this election.

The current page on Aruba should be updated with this info. See the attached article for more info.:

http://business-aruba.com/press/?tag=avp-triumphant-%E2%80%93-aruba-has-a-new-government

[[Special:Contributions/148.177.0.100|148.177.0.100]] ([[User talk:148.177.0.100|talk]]) 15:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:You can use [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]] to do this. :-) Regards '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #35628F">Why</span>]]''' 15:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

::Probably [[Michiel (Mike) G. Eman]] (which is an improper title). It is not protected, so anyone can edit. ---'''''—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue">&nbsp;</span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 16:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

==Open Office help==

After updating openoffice to 3.1 I can no longer get my documents or pictures to cross over to microsoft works please help  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.10.86.27|72.10.86.27]] ([[User talk:72.10.86.27|talk]]) 15:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Sorry, we are not your technical support. You may want to contact the company. This page is for users needing help with using Wikipedia. You may find some success repeating your question at [[Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing]]. Good luck. -[[User:Andrew c|Andrew&nbsp;c]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Andrew c|<sup>[talk]</sup>]] 15:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:: The technical support for Open Office is on their website [http://support.openoffice.org/ here] -- '''[[User:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Phantom</span><span style="color:#55CAFA;">Steve</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Contact Me</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#5599FA;">My Contribs</span>]]) 20:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Privacy concerns ==

If personally identifying data is accidentally placed on a page, it is always viewable in the history. Is there any way to remove such data? [[User:Luminifer|Luminifer]] ([[User talk:Luminifer|talk]]) 16:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Revision deletion|Yes]]. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 16:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Warning template for copyvio ==

At [[Juan Roque]], an article I created a while ago, an IP added blocks of text that were clearly copy-pasted from online sources, and I undid the changes. I then went to warn the user, but couldn't find which warning template should be used for a text copyvio, though I did see one for images. What should be used in this situation? '''[[User:Giants2008|<span style="color:blue;">Giants2008</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Giants2008|<span style="color:red;">17&ndash;14</span>]]) 16:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:{{tl|uw-copyright}}. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 16:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::Noted and warned the IP. Thanks. '''[[User:Giants2008|<span style="color:blue;">Giants2008</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Giants2008|<span style="color:red;">17&ndash;14</span>]]) 16:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Plagiarism from Wikipedia found: What is the policy? ==

This is from [[Talk:Two-phase commit protocol#Wikipedia text on Tree and Dynamic 2PC (D2PC) copied "as is" to a COIT 2008 conference paper]]. What is done in such cases?

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The entire text was copied to the following paper:

: ''An Efficient Fault Tolerance Protocols for Mobile Computing Systems''
: * Kumar Surender **,Kumar Parveen *** Chauhan R.K
: * Lecturer Deptt. Of I.T., H.C.T.M. Kaithal
: ** Professor Deptt. Of CSE, APIIT, Panipat.
: ***Chairman Deptt. Comp. Sc. & Application KUK

(see paper [http://www.rimtengg.com/coit2008/proceedings/NW28.pdf here])

that appeared in [http://www.rimtengg.com/coit2008/coit08.html COIT 2008].

More [[Wikipedia]] text is embedded there with reference to neither Wikipedia nor the original D2PC paper:

...

This is a strange practice for a scientific paper, a clear case of [[Plagiarism]] which should be strongly discouraged.  

...

-- [[User:Comps|Comps]] ([[User talk:Comps|talk]]) 17:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 16:28, 29 September 2009 Comps (returned original time stamp)

:As long as Wikipedia's [[WP:REUSE]] conditions are complied with, Wikipedia's interest the matter ends. The plagiarism issue is between the author of the paper and its publisher and audience.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 16:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:The process for dealing with this is set out at [[Wikipedia:MIRROR#Non-compliance process]]. Helpful for the article's talk in clear cases of this is {{tl|Backwardscopyvio}}, to document the duplication and prevent our material later being investigated for copyright infringement. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 16:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:: Thanks. Very important. I have not thought about the possibility that Wikipedia can be accused of plagiarism, since dates are documented. But it is good to have the tag as an indication that the correct direction of plagiarism has been checked by somebody. It will be good if such info is also found by search engines like Google to have this exposed. I'm not sure that such look into talk pages. [[User:Comps|Comps]] ([[User talk:Comps|talk]]) 13:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Let's not forget though that reuse of Wikipedia content as permitted by [[WP:REUSE]] (which is a licensing issue) is not the same as plagiarism of Wikipedia content without attribution, which could be considered academic dishonesty or academic fraud, but is not a ''legal'' matter. &nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 14:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes, plagiarism is not a legal matter. I haven't compared here, though, but the contributor seems to be saying that the entire text was duplicated verbatim without attribution. If this is the case, and the material is being reused without complying with licensing terms, then it is a legal matter. That may be what you mean, but I'm finding your note a bit hard to parse. :) Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the original question? --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 14:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Yes, first of all it is fraud in all academic frameworks that I know. However, if the COIT 2008 conference proceedings that include the plagiarizing article exist and are copyrighted (as common), than I believe it becomes also a legal issue. {{tl|Backwardscopyvio}} tag has been added  -- [[User:Comps|Comps]] ([[User talk:Comps|talk]]) 19:52, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== Title Editing? ==

I've reviewed the tutorial's, and I can't find the answer.  I had a work in progress saved, then when I finished and saved the page it showed with my user name/title of article.  Thanks for the help. [[User:Chicagogeekwoman|Chicagogeekwoman]] ([[User talk:Chicagogeekwoman|talk]]) 17:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:Having the article in your userpage-space allows you to work on it generally free of interference from the rest of the Wikipedia community. Once you think it's ready to be in article-space, click the "move" tab at the top, and remove "your username/" from the "to new title" input-box. See [[Help:Moving a page]] for more information. [[User:Someguy1221|Someguy1221]] ([[User talk:Someguy1221|talk]]) 17:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:I see that you created a page at [[User:Chicagogeekwoman/Placental alpha microglobulin-1 (PAMG-1)]]. Are you trying to move it out of your userspace and into the mainspace? <font face="times new roman">'''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">hmwith</span>]]'''[[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 2px;color:#fff;">☮</span>]]</font> 17:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Update: 10/1/09  I went completely through how to move a page, but the "Move" tab is not available to me.  Thanks again!

[[User:Chicagogeekwoman|Chicagogeekwoman]] ([[User talk:Chicagogeekwoman|talk]])  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 20:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Sorry about that. The move tab usually only appears after 4 days and 10 edits. You have fewer than 10 edits, so I went ahead and gave you the move tab. Try it now. Cheers. [[User:Someguy1221|Someguy1221]] ([[User talk:Someguy1221|talk]]) 20:36, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Article Creation ==

Pretty simple - Can I create my own article for a slang term?

Thanks,
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:Before creating an article, please [[Wikipedia:Searching|search]] Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not ''already exist'' on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain [[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]], must be written from a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view]], should [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|cite]] [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] which [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verify]] their content and must not contain [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|unsourced, negative content about living people]]. 

:Articles must also demonstrate the [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for [[Wikipedia:Notability (people)|people]], [[Wikipedia:Notability (music)|bands and musicians]], [[Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)|companies and organizations]] and [[Wikipedia:Notability (web)|web content]] and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest|conflict of interest guideline]] strongly recommends against ''you'' creating the article.

:If you still think an article is appropriate, see [[Wikipedia:Your first article]]. You might also look at [[Wikipedia:How to write a great article]] for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the [[Wikipedia:Tutorial]] so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An [[Wikipedia:Article wizard 2.0|Article Wizard]] is available to walk you through creating an article.<!-- Template:Creation --> [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 17:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

::Please see [[WP:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day]] and [[WP:Avoid neologisms]]. <font face="times new roman">'''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">hmwith</span>]]'''[[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 2px;color:#fff;">☮</span>]]</font> 17:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== transfer ==

if my sister is a current student of STI college san fernando can she transfer in any branch of STI in the Philliphines,,crediting all of her subject?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.211.219.178|89.211.219.178]] ([[User talk:89.211.219.178|talk]]) 17:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You might find what you are looking for in the  article about [[STI College]]. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. <font face="times new roman">'''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">hmwith</span>]]'''[[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 2px;color:#fff;">☮</span>]]</font> 17:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:: Alternatively, you (or your sister) could [http://www.sti.edu/contact.asp contact STI College] -- '''[[User:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Phantom</span><span style="color:#55CAFA;">Steve</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Contact Me</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#5599FA;">My Contribs</span>]]) 23:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Uploading an image from an atlas ==
{{Resolved|1=&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 14:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)}}
If i copied a portion of a road atlas to upload for a discussion, would i just use fair use policy? The atlas is copyrighted. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] ([[User talk:Simply south|talk]]) 17:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:You'll probably get the best response at [[WP:Media copyright questions]]. <font face="times new roman">'''[[User:hmwith|<span style="background:#999;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">hmwith</span>]]'''[[User talk:hmwith|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 2px;color:#fff;">☮</span>]]</font> 17:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)r
::Our fair use policy ([[WP:NFC]]) does not allow for non-free images to go in non-article namespaces (like talk pages), and they must go in at least 1 article. This basically means, we wouldn't allow you to temporarily host a non-free images for the sake of discussion. You may want to consider uploading it somewhere else and linking to it offsite. Sorry. -[[User:Andrew c|Andrew&nbsp;c]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Andrew c|<sup>[talk]</sup>]] 18:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:::No worries. Thanks. [[User:Simply south|Simply south]] ([[User talk:Simply south|talk]]) 13:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== Alt text request ==

I dont know how to do [[WP:ALT]]. During a [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/February 2009 tornado outbreak/archive2|featured article candidacy]] for [[February 2009 tornado outbreak]], someone kept rejecting to it. Please help. [[User:Showtime2009|Showtime2009]] ([[User talk:Showtime2009|talk]]) 18:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:Just add a parameter to the image code as follows: <code>|alt= alt text goes here, blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda</code>
:&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 19:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::They were already doing that.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=February_2009_tornado_outbreak&diff=309960656&oldid=309645018] I think their problem is what should actually be ''in'' that tag. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 19:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:Alt text in images is so that you can shut your eyes and someone can read the article to you and also describe to you the ''content'' of the images, so you can understand what they add to the article. Remember that you can never ever open your eyes to find out the "real" answer, so all you have to go on is the alt-text. So it doesn't matter what colour the lines are, what counts is what ''information'' they convey. Here is how I would try doing the alt-text for the first image under "Storm development" (I'm shaky on the exact facts, so it's hedged a bit):
::A map of the United States showing the predicted probability of weather events for Feb. 10, 2009. The lines drawn across the map show the extent of the zones and also show where the maximum probability area exists. The widest area, with a greater than 10% probability of thunderstorms, covers an area from south Texas across the Midwest up to Indiana and Illinois. The area of slight risk of more severe weather extends from central Texas to Iowa(?). The area of moderate risk, which was the highest forecast probability of severe weather events, covers northeast Texas, eastern Oklahoma and most of Missouri. Tornadoes occurred throughout (?) the 10% zone (or was it the slight-risk zone?). The most intense tornado of the outbreak occurred at Lone Grove within the moderate-risk area in Oklahoma.
:You might be better off approaching Eubulides directly and asking if they would help you to work through some examples from the article, but you would also need to keep reading [[WP:ALT]] over and over and looking at how it's done in other featured articles. You're asking a pretty difficult question. Good luck! :) [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 19:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::A lot of that material is analysis and belongs in the caption, if it belongs anywhere. The alt text itself should focus on just what the map says, and should avoid repeating what the caption and adjacent text say. How about something like this?
:::A region labeled "MDT", centered around the southeast tip of Oklahoma, covers most of Arkansas and reaches the centers of Oklahoma and of Texas. It is surrounded by a larger region labeled "SLGT" reaching from the Gulf of Mexico through Missouri, and by an even larger, unlabeled region that reaches Lake Michigan. All regions' edges have <s>counter</s>clockwise arrows.
::[[User:Eubulides|Eubulides]] ([[User talk:Eubulides|talk]]) 03:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::<small>I'm taking the liberty of striking this bit of another editor's text. A good teacher ''always'' puts in a deliberate error to check if their students are watching. I was, :) :) [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 04:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)</small>
:::Thanks for the comments Eubulides! I can see now how much analysis I did inject. For instance, I synthesized the colouring of the map and the arrow direction to skip over the explicit interpretation that the zone of probability was on the right-hand side of the "line direction" - though it's likely possible that an altviewing reader could find that factoid for themselves. More obscurely though, the >10% t-storm bit is only revealed from the FAQs [http://www.spc.ncep.noaa.gov/faq/#3.7] as the "nameless brown line" - so colour comes into play, or else the connection between "unlabelled region" and "nameless brown line". Truly a difficult area. If I had properly sourced (or really just http-linked) the web pages I used to derive my analysis, would that be more acceptable? Or should we just be strictly neutral and unsourced in alt-text? [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 04:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::So yeah, I tried putting that analysis in the caption [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=February_2009_tornado_outbreak&diff=317028652&oldid=316711887 here], where it can be properly sourced if challenged. We'll see how that goes. :) I think I better understand though the interplay between caption and alt text and article text. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 04:41, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=February_2009_tornado_outbreak&diff=317030632&oldid=317028652]. [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 04:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:::: I would simplify the wording as "Categorical graphic map of the United States that indicates a moderate chance of severe weather in an area centered on Texarkana, Texas and extending for roughly 175 miles in all directions. The categorical graphic also shows a slight chance of severe weather from 175 miles out to roughly 650 miles out. The map was prepared by the NOAA and is labelled SPC day one convective outlook. It was issued at 0608 zulu 02/10/2009 and is valid from 10/1200 zulu to 11/1200 zulu. The forecast was by Peters."

:::: The other areas of a slight chance for severe weather are not relevant to this article. Unfortunately, you can't do links within alt-text otherwise I'd link Texarkana. I spelled out some things as the ALT text is usually read out by text to speech software. It's going to mangle things like DAY1 to "dee aye wye one" and so spelling it out as "day one" speeds up understanding. I believe ALL UPPER CASE ends up being spelled out too. I'd need to check with blind friends on if they would prefer 0608Z or "0608 zulu." The goal is summarizing the graphic in a form that allows for accurate text to speech. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]&#124;[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 04:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well hehe, my first impression was that there wasn't a proper spatial map for even us sighted people to assess the entirety of the weather event(s) in that time-period. :( But the article goes on to describe (relatively less severe) weather events as far away as Virginia and Connecticut, so the extent of the >10% line seems relevant also in the wider context. The first image in "Storm development" kind of sets the stage - and it would of course be synthesis for me to speculate as to why such a relatively innocuous 1-day convective outlook would end up as such a widepsread event.
:::::Your comments on alt-wording are noted (hopefully by Showtime too when they review, but I'm learning enough for this to be a valid help thread :) Marc, I've asked Eu and I'll ask you too: do you know of a (preferably free) popular text-reader software package that I could use to check this stuff out? Thanks! [[User:Franamax|Franamax]] ([[User talk:Franamax|talk]]) 06:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::: I've asked a blind friend about the best options for text-to-speech and assume you are using Windows. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]&#124;[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 17:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Please help me! Can someone improve on all of them? [[User:Showtime2009|Showtime2009]] ([[User talk:Showtime2009|talk]]) 01:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
: I have not heard back from my blind friend.  A suggestion I saw [http://otal.umd.edu/uupractice/vision/ here] is to turn off graphics and see if the page is still usable. In FireFox it's Tools / Options / Content tab / uncheck load images automatically. What I was looking for, and did not seem was a page that gave recommendations on the wording. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]&#124;[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 09:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== Maple and animations ==

I use [[Maple (software)|Maple]] for various things. I know how to get a plot onto Wikipedia: I right click and export as a JPEG then upload as normal. I would like to upload an animation from Maple. When I right click on an animation it only has the standard export options, i.e. it exports the first frame as a picture file. Any ideas how to upload a Maple animation? Does WP have its own way of doing this? <span style="font-family:Kristen ITC;"><span style="color:#FF6600;">~~</span> [[User:Declan Davis#top|<span style="color:#006600;">Dr Dec</span>]] <span style="color:#009999;">([[User talk:Declan Davis|<span style="color:#009999;">Talk</span>]])</span>   <span style="color:#FF6600;">~~</span></span> 20:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Everette E Dennis ==
{{Resolved|1=&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 14:29, 30 September 2009 (UTC)}}
To whom it may concern:

I am attempting to create a page on behalf of media scholar, Everette E Dennis. However his name has been put on a blacklist; can an administrator tell me what one must do in order to create and edit a bibliographic entry for his name?

Thank you for your consideration.

[[User:Mgleviste|Mgleviste]] ([[User talk:Mgleviste|talk]]) 20:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)M

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Everette_e_dennis&action=edit
:Could you please be more specific? How do you know his name has been put on a blacklist? What appears when you try to create the entry? Note that you really shouldn't be creating the article because you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]], and if Mr Dennis was [[WP:BIO|notable]] enough to deserve an article, he would probably have one already. [[User:Xenon54|Xenon54]] / [[User talk:Xenon54|talk]] / 21:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

i get this message when trying to create the page:

''"The page title or edit you have tried to create has been restricted to administrators at this time. It matches an entry on the local or global blacklists, which is usually used to prevent vandalism.''

If you receive this message when trying to edit, create or move an existing page, follow these instructions:

        * Any administrator can create or move this page for you. Please post a request at the Administrators' noticeboard.
        * You may also contact any administrator on their talk page or by e-mail.
        * Be sure to specify the exact title of the page you are trying to create or edit, and if it might be misunderstood (for example, an article with an unusual name), consider explaining briefly what you want to do.
        * If you wrote any text, save it temporarily on your computer until you can edit the page."

who then does not have conflict of interest?  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mgleviste|Mgleviste]] ([[User talk:Mgleviste|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mgleviste|contribs]]) 21:12, 29 September 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I was able to create the page without any problems. If you still have trouble, then write the article yourself in a text editor and then post it to [[WP:AFC|Articles for creation]]. [[User:Xenon54|Xenon54]] / [[User talk:Xenon54|talk]] / 22:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:Only [[WP:AUTOCONFIRM|autoconfirmed]] users can create an article with the link http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Everette_e_dennis&action=edit (the message is inaccurate when it claims an administrator is needed). You get the message because the title matches the entry <code><nowiki>.*Everett.* <autoconfirmed></nowiki></code> at [[meta:Title blacklist]]. You can create a draft, for example at [[User:Mgleviste/Sandbox]], and come back. Or you can go through articles for creation, but you will have to pick another temporary title if you create a page. Your account cannot create a title containing "Everette" until it becomes autoconfirmed. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Great! I'll try that then. Thanks so much!! mina3123 00:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mgleviste|Mgleviste]] ([[User talk:Mgleviste|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mgleviste|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Please be aware, though, of [[:WP:COI|our rules about conflict of interest]], which generally preclude you creating an article on behalf of a subject. --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:darkorange;">Orange Mike</span>]]  &#x007C;  [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:orange;">Talk</span>]] 23:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== Link to an illegal copy of Window Clippings in an image ==

The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WordPad_on_Windows_7.png Wordpad screenshot] comes from a hacking site and the non-free media use rationale includes a link to a page where an illegal copy of Window Clippings can be downloaded (Window Clippings 2.1.28 inc. keygen.zip); the image should be changed and the Window Clippings link should point to its official site (http://www.windowclippings.com/).  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Maangago|Maangago]] ([[User talk:Maangago|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Maangago|contribs]]) 21:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::The image may have to do to [[gallows]] or be substituted as wikipedia does not host anything which is illegal ''in the U.S. state of [[Florida]] (where Wikipedia's servers are located), such as child pornography and pirated'', see [[Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule#Exceptions to 3RR]]. Freshymail ([[user_talk:fngosa|Talk page]] ) the knowledge-defender 00:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:: None of the above makes the image illegal. I can link wherever I like, doesn't matter what is on the site, only what is actually presented on wikipedia. No illegal media is present on the encyclopedia. As far as the link itself, as long as the page is not dangerous keep it, it is required as the source of the image. [[User:Sephiroth storm|Sephiroth storm]] ([[User talk:Sephiroth storm|talk]]) 19:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== referance lists ==

Has wiki found a way to Minimize|Hide reference list yet....as some articles ref list are huge, sometime twice the size of an article. I remember a discussion about this years ago but cant find the page or archive about it. Could someone update me on its progress or provide a link to the subject or Wiki how to page if it has been solved.
Tks for your time....hope this is the right place to write this request.
[[User:Buzzzsherman|Buzzzsherman]] ([[User talk:Buzzzsherman|talk]]) 22:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:Create [[User:Buzzzsherman/monobook.js]] and add <code>importScript('User:Drilnoth/hiderefs.js');</code> then [[WP:BYPASS|clear your cache]]. It will add a link in your toolbox (on the right hand side of the page in the MonoBook skin) named "hide refs" which toggles all reference display off. Another option I just tested is to create [[User:Buzzzsherman/monobook.css]] and add to it: <code>.reference {display: none;}</code> However when I tried it, it only hid the footnotes but not the references section. Note that though giving users this ability with a userscripts or a CSS tweak if they seek it seems fine to me, but I would fight tooth and nail to keep this from being an easily accessible ability such as a toggle switch in articles. By the way, this site is called ''Wikipedia'', [[WP:DAW|not ''wiki'']]. A wiki is any website using [[wiki]] software; there are thousands of them.<!-- Template:Notwiki --> Cheers.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 00:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

:: well tks ..you are right only works with notes....what wikipidia needs is {{tld|sectionhide|????}}.
<nowiki>{{sectionhide|????}}</nowiki>
[[User:Buzzzsherman|Buzzzsherman]] ([[User talk:Buzzzsherman|talk]]) 02:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Buzzzsherman, that proposal will meet with resistance. There’s strong support for making sure that all of the main area of an article is viewable. I ran into this when creating a long table and inquiring about making it hidden. The rationale makes sense – because of the ability to create pdf versions, or print to paper, and the inability of some browsers to open hidden sections, the goal is to make all of the article viewable by default. The exceptions for collapsible navigation boxes are defensible in that they aren’t an essential part of the specific article, their main goal is for navigation, which isn’t relevant in a print or pdf version. Collapsible sections are also acceptable in Talk pages, but that doesn’t violate the spirit of the paradigm. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="background:#002868;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style="background:#ADD8E6;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">T</span>]]</span> 19:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== Calling cards with a cell phone ==
can a military person deployed use calling cards with a cell phone  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.21.81.3|99.21.81.3]] ([[User talk:99.21.81.3|talk]]) 22:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Have you tried Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== What does [[accent]] mean in this sentance? ==

Ways to arrange and accent fruits and vegetables.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.165.140.188|24.165.140.188]] ([[User talk:24.165.140.188|talk]]) 23:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I would say something like "to enhance or emphasize the taste of"; see [[:wikt:accent|Accent]] at our sister project, [[Wiktionary]]. <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;"><i>[[User:Intelligentsium|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Intelligent</span>]]<b>[[User_talk:Intelligentsium|<span style="color:Black">sium</span>]]</b></i></font> 23:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== How to type greek letter in wikipedia? ==

like alpha, beta and etc..  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.36.24.237|128.36.24.237]] ([[User talk:128.36.24.237|talk]]) 23:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:One of the ways is to use the box your browser may display below the Save page button. Select Greek in the drop down menu and click on the letter you want. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

::The article [[Greek alphabet]] has letters you can copy and paste one-by-one, such as pi: Ππ. You could make a little template of them. Presumably there's a key-combination that would do it also, as with other non-English characters, such as áÁ ç éÉ íÍ óÓ úÚ üÜ ñÑ ¡¿ äÄ ëË öÖ ß. →[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]] 23:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

::: Or use the [[Help:Displaying a formula|<code><nowiki><math></math></nowiki></code> tag]], which takes most LaTeX code; it uses HTML to produce <math>
\Alpha \alpha \Beta \beta \Gamma \gamma \Delta \delta \Epsilon \epsilon \Zeta \zeta \Eta \eta \Theta \theta \Iota \iota \Kappa \kappa \Lambda \lambda \Mu \mu \Nu \nu \Xi \xi \Omicron \omicron \Pi \pi \Rho \rho \Sigma \sigma \Tau \tau \Upsilon \upsilon \Phi \phi \Chi \chi \Psi \psi \Omega \omega</math>, or force LaTeX, to create <math>
\Alpha \alpha \Beta \beta \Gamma \gamma \Delta \delta \Epsilon \epsilon \Zeta \zeta \Eta \eta \Theta \theta \Iota \iota \Kappa \kappa \Lambda \lambda \Mu \mu \Nu \nu \Xi \xi \Omicron \omicron \Pi \pi \Rho \rho \Sigma \sigma \Tau \tau \Upsilon \upsilon \Phi \phi \Chi \chi \Psi \psi \Omega \omega \,</math>. [[User:Calvin 1998|Calvin <small>1998</small>]]&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:Calvin 1998|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Calvin 1998|c]])</sup> 02:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)