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The result was '''keep'''. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 14:07, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
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Sourced only by its own website & github repository. No evidence that it's notable. It's G4 eligible, but this version has survived several years already. AFD is in deference to its age. [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] ([[User talk:Cabayi|talk]]) 11:08, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Software|list of Software-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Cabayi|Cabayi]] ([[User talk:Cabayi|talk]]) 11:08, 20 September 2019 (UTC)</small>

'''Keep''' - This article from [[SitePoint]] gives it significant coverage from a non-primary source.<ref>{{cite news |last1=Ren |first1=Taylor |title=Nette Framework: First Impressions |url=https://www.sitepoint.com/nette-framework-first-impressions/ |accessdate=20 September 2019 |work=[[SitePoint]] |date=22 June 2015}}</ref> It also shows that according to a 2015 survey, it was the third most popular product of its type. I found a few other articles dealing with Nette<ref>{{cite web |last1=Otemuyiwa |first1=Prosper |title=Building an app with Nette and adding authentication |url=https://auth0.com/blog/building-an-app-with-Nette-and-adding-authentication/ |website=Auth0 |accessdate=20 September 2019 |date=19 September 2017}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |last1=Brejla |first1=Ondrej |title=Nette Framework with Latte Templates (and one more thing) |url=https://blogs.oracle.com/netbeansphp/nette-framework-with-latte-templates-and-one-more-thing |website=blogs.oracle.com |accessdate=20 September 2019 |date=9 May 2013}}</ref> and it even gets mentioned in scientific papers.<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Vokorokos |first1=Liberios |last2=Uchnar |first2=Matus |last3=Chovancova |first3=Eva |title=DataGrid Module for Nette Framework |journal=2018 IEEE 22nd International Conference on Intelligent Engineering Systems (INES) |date=June 2018 |doi=10.1109/INES.2018.8523852 |url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328834655_DataGrid_Module_for_Nette_Framework |accessdate=20 September 2019}}</ref> There's also paid courses available for developers who want to use Nette.<ref>{{cite web |title=Developing Web applications in Nette Framework II |url=https://www.gopas.eu/Courses/Course-offer/Programming/Language-PHP/Developing-Web-applications-in-Nette-Framework-II-INTPH-NETTE2.aspx |accessdate=20 September 2019}}</ref> I'm gonna say that it's quite notable and the act that only primary sources are used in the article is an oversight on the part of the editor who wrote it and doesn't reflect on the actual notability of the product. [[User:PraiseVivec|PraiseVivec]] [[User talk:PraiseVivec|talk]]) 13:47, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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*'''Delete''': I see {{u|PraiseVivec}}'s great find but right now, this article has nothing worth keeping. It needs a full rewriting, so [[WP:TNT]]. No prejudice against userifying it. [[User:flowing dreams|<span style="font-family: 'Ink Free', sans-serif;">flowing dreams</span>]] ([[User talk:flowing dreams|talk page]]) 08:27, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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*'''Keep''': Per the sources and rationale cited above, and I don't see the point of deleting and recreating -- it's only got a couple of sentences in the lede, and the entire rest of the article is a list of components/versioning history. It is unfortunate that half of the refs are to new version releases, but I don't see how that justifies [[WP:TNT]] when the bad sections can just be removed to leave a serviceable stub. [[User talk:Jacob Gotts|{ <small><math>\mathbb{JPG}</math></small> }]] 21:32, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
:* In that case you have replace everything: the bad sections, the lede, and the sources. Plus, contributors who contributed the bad contents get credit for the article. I wouldn't have minded if this credit was not in the form of copyright-related obligations. [[User:flowing dreams|<span style="font-family: 'Ink Free', sans-serif;">flowing dreams</span>]] ([[User talk:flowing dreams|talk page]]) 09:46, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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